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  • Mon, Mar 23, 2009 - 09:21pm

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    Re: Is it just me or is TSHTF feeling more imminent?

Forgot to include that famous quote in my previous post — in the original the speaker was answering the question:  "how did you go broke?" but for our purposes the question would be "How did the SHTF?" and the answer is:

"Gradually…and then all at once." 

 

Viva, Sager 

  • Mon, Mar 23, 2009 - 09:40pm

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    Re: Is it just me or is TSHTF feeling more imminent?

[quote=nickbert][quote=PlicketyCat]

Nickbert – just the way you phrased your response about the sin taxes, et al sparked something… ummmm anyone remember the Boston Tea Party & the Coersive Acts?!  Government at all levels should really be treading very lightly right about now!

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I really hope they don’t put more heavy taxes on beer, because I don’t know if I could hold back the tears while dumping kegs of my favorite beers into the ocean in protest  Cry

– Nickbert

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Hmmm… perhaps you could just erect a protest barricade around city hall with your empties then?

  • Mon, Mar 23, 2009 - 10:36pm

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[quote=PlicketyCat][quote=nickbert] I really hope they don’t put more heavy taxes on beer, because I don’t know if I could hold back the tears while dumping kegs of my favorite beers into the ocean in protest  Cry

– Nickbert

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Hmmm… perhaps you could just erect a protest barricade around city hall with your empties then?

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As someone who on average takes 2-3 weeks getting around to finishing a 12-pack of beer, I think I might need some help on that.  But with the help of the college kids in Fairbanks and the soldiers in Eielson AFB, Ft Wainwright, and Ft Greely, I bet any city hall could be completely BURIED after one weekend Wink.

– Nickbert

"Alaska… Where you can’t be too fat, or too drunk!"  -Homer Simpson  (funny because it’s a little bit true Tongue out

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 02:01am

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Nickbert,

 

Are you serious about the Pennsylvania "lap dance tax"  ????????????

 

That is the craziest!!!!

 

What are they going to do – hire lap dance inspectors?

 

Ken

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 04:39am

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[quote=kenc] Are you serious about the Pennsylvania "lap dance tax"  ????????????  [/quote]

That was what some called it, though it’s officially termed a ‘pole tax’ (it’s a fee charged to every customer who comes in), and yes it’s real:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/609989/pole_tax_proposed_for_pennsylvania.html

And I guess New York is considering a similar one now:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Return-of-the-Pole-Tax.html

And not only that, a similar tax in Texas was actually challenged in their state court…. and the clubs won:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23994102/

(just FYI, the 2nd link has pictures that are provocative and risque, but it’s still just a news sites so no nudity or the like)

Another fine example of our representatives and our tax dollars at work Tongue out.  Anyway, I’ll stop there because I don’t want to hijack the thread (at least not with this subject lol), or risk displaying a total lack of class…. there are several really bad puns and comments I’m restraining myself from mentioning (too much time spent with active and retired Army and Air Force guys I guess Wink)

– Nickbert

 

 

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 05:00am

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Well if the shit hits the fan then blogging is probably one of the last things we’ll be doing.  When the shit hits the fan– we’ll know.  I find that many on these threads have a sense of welcome for TSHTF prophesy but I, on the other hand, hope that it will not occur.  Mentally and somewhat daily I live my life with what I have and what I want.  I want to start weaning myself off of so much dependency.  I want to wean, not sever my ties.  Of course this may be a pipe dream to many out there that predict the shit will hit the fan in a few months, and maybe you’ll end up being right.  I’m not close or even nearly close to being ready for that.  If I was ready then I’d be primal right now and I’m not looking forward to that.  Some are completely self-sustained and that’s wonderful but those that are do not have walls high enough to keep out those that are not.  So, I think, instead of worrying about the shit hitting the fan, one should funnel his energy into spreading useful knowledge that might help us for both scenarios.  The two scenarios being "the shit hitting the fan" and "the shit not hitting the fan".  Either way, spreading knowledge about how to self-sustain oneself by gardening, recycling rainwater, and etc. will help in all scenarios.  Think about the number of products or information that spread like wildfire across the globe that have little to do with a meaningful life?  Think of products, movies, toys, media, pharma, gadgets, and etc.  Why not try to spread some good information like gardening tips, permaculture tips, water preservation tips, reduction tips, food storage tips, and etc.?  Instead of running around yelling "The Sky is Falling" (because it might fall anyway), why not just make the best, if not better, the time we have left?  Doing this might even give our children a longer future.  Sacrificing everything at once is stupid; Sacrificing nothing at all is also stupid.  This country has an "all or nothing" mentality– "We must live like kings" or "We’ll destroy this country to get back what we had".

Yes… we’ve lost a lot and have taken a few steps back but does that mean we should stay there, ten steps back, and start over?  We’re not going to make this a perfect country but I sure hope people aren’t welcoming more deterioration of it thinking this is progress.  That’s just nuts.

…IMHO, of course.

Cheers.

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 08:15pm

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Given a financial collapse is inevitable at this point anyone know what form it will take? Will the price of everything suddenly start to skyrocket overnight or drop to almost nothing? An announcement of a price freeze and martial law? What will be the consequences world wide?

 

Anyone want to take a guess?

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 08:44pm

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Sager, I love your quote about how the SHTF:  "Gradually…and then all at once."  That’s my sense of how things will go down too, and we’re in the "gradually" now.

I also like your and your wife’s 167 point plan, and how you keep on truckin’ down the road to preparedness.  Ain’t it the truth?!  Thanks for the reminder about the mason jars btw!

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 09:04pm

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Pinecarr:  the quote is from F. Scott Fitzgerald, FWIW.  Glad ya dug it!

And as for the 167-point plan:  I d/l a couple of "stuff to have before TSHTF" lists from the net and prioritized all the stuff on there (over 100 items).  Some were "never" or "not in the next year" (generator and other high-$ purchases [we could live off-grid for a good while if the elec goes down]), some were "low" priority, and others were "medium" or "high".  We’ve got a goodly chunk of the "high" list sorted out, and are on to some of the "medium".  

Cost is a huge driver in terms of what we’re doing, i.e., some "high" priority stuff that’s also high-cost has to wait, and some low-cost "medium" stuff we’re doing right away simply because it’s within our means.

"High" stuff we’ve gotten sorted (or are in-process):  survival food stores, water purification, firearm & ammo & training w/same (IMO a "high" item), getting out of stock market, TP supply (bog roll for you UK/NZ/Oz folks), firewood/firestarters, extra propane, hygienic items, vitamins & supplements.

"High" stuff yet to come:  oil lamps/coleman lanterns, first aid kit, selling third car (it’s on market but not sold), etc.

"Medium"  stuff we’re getting in line:  candles, more food, various tools (to complete our toolbox as it were), canning supplies, bicycle, hand pump (for our well), wine/liquor (for barter).

And all this is in addition to getting a big honkin’ veggie garden going asap.  I’m also cutting a lotta firewood on the back 40 for winter 2010-2011 (I hope to buy firewood [at non-extortionate prices] this Fall if we’re still pre-SHTF).  The expense of the garden is keeping us from grabbing up some of the high/medium items we’d otherwise already have purchased.

And it goes without saying that we’re continuing our dedicated work at community-building. Trying to get folks on board vis-a-vis food storage etc. as we don’t have enough to feed others at this point. 

For what it’s worth…

Viva — Sager 

  • Tue, Mar 24, 2009 - 09:52pm

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[quote=FireJack]

Given a financial collapse is inevitable at this point anyone know what form it will take? Will the price of everything suddenly start to skyrocket overnight or drop to almost nothing? An announcement of a price freeze and martial law? What will be the consequences world wide?

Anyone want to take a guess?

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My guess is it’ll first take the form of massive market crashes, followed by various gov’ts suspending trading, followed by bank holidays, and then sometime later price freezes (which won’t work and will spur a boom in black markets). It’s just my opinion, but I expect financial collapse will take some time to run its course to the bottom… several months maybe, or a couple years?  The global (and US) economy is huge, and I think it’s reasonable to assume a financial collapse will take at least some time to reach every facet of the global economy.  While I don’t THINK prices will skyrocket and the dollar’s value will turn to nil overnight, it cannot be discounted as a possibility.  My fiancee had just that experience in the early 90’s in her home country, when in the space of two days their money was essentially worth half of what it was before.  Hardly anything was left in the store shelves at that point, and soon after that the currency was more or less worthless, store shelves were completely bare, and black market trade was BOOMING.  I feel it’s important to mention that this example happened to be a former communist country with a very small economy shortly after the soviet collapse, so there are a lot of differences between that and the position that the US and many other countries are in.  But it does go to show it is a possibility.

– Nickbert 

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