is Florida a honey trap?

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  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 07:03am

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    Gregory

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    is Florida a honey trap?

people (including myself) believe/d Florida to be a state standing up to the federal government || CDC || FDA, but what if it’s a honey trap for ‘anti-vaxxers’ ?

is this reporting fair and accurate?

COLUMN: Florida Bill Banning Vaccine Passports Contains Hidden Clause Allowing for MASS FORCED VACCINATIONS, Mandatory Solitary Confinement Quarantine of Residents With COVID-19

and the text from the bill 2021 Legislature CS for CS for SB 2006, 2nd Engrossed:

1097 4. Ordering an individual to be examined, tested,
1098 vaccinated, treated, isolated, or quarantined for communicable
1099 diseases that have significant morbidity or mortality and
1100 present a severe danger to public health. Individuals who are
1101 unable or unwilling to be examined, tested, vaccinated, or
1102 treated for reasons of health, religion, or conscience may be
1103 subjected to isolation or quarantine.
1104 a. Examination, testing, vaccination, or treatment may be
1105 performed by any qualified person authorized by the State Health
1106 Officer.
1107 b. If the individual poses a danger to the public health,
1108 the State Health Officer may subject the individual to isolation
1109 or quarantine. If there is no practical method to isolate or
1110 quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use any
1111 means necessary to vaccinate or treat the individual.

btw, similar text was added to the law in Western Australia via Public Health Act 2016:

Section 158.

(1) Enforcement of requirement to undergo medical observation, medical examination

If an authorised officer gives a direction to a person under section 157(1)(j) to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated, an authorised officer or police officer may use reasonable force to ensure that the direction is complied with, including, if necessary —

(a)  to apprehend and detain the person to whom the direction applies (the relevant person) and take the relevant person to a place where the person is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and
(b)  to detain the relevant person at the place where he or she is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and
(c)  to restrain the relevant person —

(i)  to enable a medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out; or
(ii)  to enable the relevant person to be vaccinated;
and
(d)  to remove anything (including underwear) that the relevant person is wearing, if —
(i) the removal of the thing is reasonably necessary to enable a medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out or, as the case requires, to enable the person to be vaccinated; and…

 

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 07:50am

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    Andrea Matheson

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    is Florida a honey trap?

Good question. I have lived here for years, nothing to do with current events. I am aware of this bill and am grateful for the stance our governor has been taking but what happens if he is no longer in office for any reason? Why is this even written in there? I have not researched if any other state has this. I would be interested to hear what other states are doing? Yes, it’s scary and everything feels like a house of cards that could turn on a dime.

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 07:55am

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    brushhog

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Interesting a bill with almost the exact language was introduced in NY;[ Assembly bill A416 ]; This one doesnt include forced vaccination, just internment in a medical “facility”, but who knows what happens to you from there;

 

 

§ 2120-A. REMOVAL AND DETENTION OF CASES, CONTACTS AND CARRIERS WHO
ARE OR MAY BE A DANGER TO PUBLIC HEALTH; OTHER ORDERS. 1. THE PROVISIONS
OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE UTILIZED IN THE EVENT THAT THE GOVERNOR
DECLARES A STATE OF HEALTH EMERGENCY DUE TO AN EPIDEMIC OF ANY COMMUNI-
CABLE DISEASE.
2. UPON DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER, OR
SUSPECTED CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER, MAY
POSE AN IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY, THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER DELE-
GEE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEADS OF
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, MAY ORDER THE REMOVAL AND/OR DETENTION OF SUCH
A PERSON OR OF A GROUP OF SUCH PERSONS BY ISSUING A SINGLE ORDER, IDEN-
TIFYING SUCH PERSONS EITHER BY NAME OR BY A REASONABLY SPECIFIC
DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED. SUCH PERSON OR
GROUP OF PERSONS SHALL BE DETAINED IN A MEDICAL FACILITY OR OTHER APPRO-
PRIATE FACILITY OR PREMISES DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER
DELEGEE AND COMPLYING WITH SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THIS SECTION.
3. A PERSON OR GROUP REMOVED OR DETAINED BY ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR OR
HIS OR HER DELEGEE PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION TWO OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE…..

Now what are the odds that 3 separate bills from 3 different parts of the world contain the exact same descriptive terms and intent, all introduced or passed within the same time frame…Im sure its purely coincidence.

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 09:27am

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    Ision

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    is Florida a honey trap?

Okay.  Lets us apply some context to this.

What if…just what if…the purpose of this legal ability applies to actually dangerous, highly lethal, pathogens and diseases, or a deliberate act of biological warfare, using quick acting and fatal agent, such as Anthrax?

ALL governing states have legal clauses to enable them to respond to such incidents, such as TB, Plague, Cholera, Rabies, HIV, MRSA, and Small Pox.

It is simply not possible to be a governing body, without such legal powers to control these things…no matter the position that body takes on any other specific illness…such as Covid-19, or SARS COV2.

Naturally, there is NEVER absolute protection from any governing body…ever.  One’s own government is the greatest killer and the greatest threat one has to worry about.  It is why Americans like their firearms so much.

Relax.  If it gets rough, all the small print will no longer matter.

 

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 09:28am

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    thesecuritygirl

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    is Florida a honey trap?

I feel like all of it is… I’ve heard a few references to “Twilight Zone” and it is!  I’ve asked the question before…. Why is it that Tucker Carlson and the others haven’t been deleted off the internet?  If the elite are all so powerful, how do people with loud voices (Governor Desantis, Rand Paul etc…) still able to get away with saying what they do?  I’m supportive of their messages but again, nothing adds up?

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 09:37am   (Reply to #5)

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    Ision

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It all adds up.  It is just that you are not highly trained in social manipulation and the techniques used.

A good teach was Stalin, for example, who deliberately set up organizations, whose goal was to defeat and overthrow him and his rule.

In America, it is not possible to instantly convert a highly armed, highly motivated, and tenaciously opinionated, people in one swoop.

Set up heros…then have these gradually alter their positions in convenient ways at the right times, as the “enemy” seems to be bending, here and there…just enough to keep people from shooting.

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 09:56am

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    Mike from Jersey

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The same thing is true of Ted Cruz’s bill to ban vaccine passports.

It sure sounds good until you read it. Then you find out that it does nothing. It bans vaccine passports for drugs that only have EUA’s.

So what.

If the bill was passed, all the FDA has to do is “approve the vaccines” and then vaccine passports are just fine. Of course, the FDA would “approve the vaccines” immediately and completely.

Here is the key provision:

‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful to—
‘‘(A) require any United States person to receive a vaccine that has only received authorization by the Food and Drug Administration through an emergency use authorization pursuant to section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb–3), or that has received such authorization prior to receiving full approval or licensure under section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 355) or section 351 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 262);

It could be argued that the second part of the definition – “vaccine … that has received such authorization prior to receiving full approval or licensure under section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act” – bars vaccine passports for vaccines that originally got EUA’s (Pfizer, Moderna and J&J) even if they were subsequently approved. But there are two problems with that.

One, Comirnaty could be argued to be a different vaccine than Pfizer. It was treated that way by the FDA. Thus, it could be argued that vaccine passports would be allowed for Comirnaty.

Two, there is a principle of law that if a government agency interprets ambiguous language in a certain manner then that interpretation is entitled to deference from the courts. So if a government agency interprets the bill as simply requiring a vaccine to be approved before it could be mandated, then the courts would defer that that interpretation.

If Cruz really wanted to stop vaccine passports he could have written a bill to do just that.

That’s exactly right… Devil in Details… The big question is how compromised is our country …. How deep is the rot?  Not trying to be Negative Nancy but I think THEY are all compromised.

Politicians= Rot.

I’m done with the institutions that represent us.  Disgusting.

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 12:15pm

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    is Florida a honey trap?

I contend that force only compels so many, and if the Nazi’s wanted to truly eradicate the Jews they would have advertised an “exclusive community, with full amenities, in rural europe” and sell tickets for the train to Auschwitz.

If the unvaccinated are to be targetted for extermination or isolation, a few enclaves of liberty would definitely provide the carrot to attract them while the other states serve as the stick to drive them out.

If gun laws and high taxes and failing infrastructure, and high costs of living didn’t do it already, the direct threat to personal liberty might. I can only imagine it plays out in ways no one can really anticipate. I don’t like crowds though, so I’ll stay where I am.

 

  • Fri, Oct 15, 2021 - 12:36pm

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    is Florida a honey trap?

yeah its sounds like a bait and switch.  But a lot of times these are written for a worse case scenario.  As , you eventful good intention laws , may present a big issue, if something else comes down the pike.   So , you may be over-thinking it.  Or again it can all be very bad and part of the plan.

However, the more like minded individuals in a given area, are not sheep.  they are lions if they are going to florida to avoid the tyranny.

The problem as I see , is this is all a dry run.  It is clearly evident that the vaccine they are pushing is need for another reason.   Something else is coming.    This disease is nothing and I mean that.  I checked my local county covid numbers yesterday.   Death rate among all less than 75 years of age is only .05%   not even a tenth of percent.   And we are recorded with confirm infections about 25% of the population – if you had one case not diagnosed for each cased diagnosed.  you are looking at half the population infected estimated.  That would leave numbers consistent with the flu.  as for old people dying over 75 years that have illness already.  well they are already dying, whether cold or flu too.  It may actually be higher for this group.. but I wouldnt bet much more, sick and old can die from flu and pneumonia, pretty easily.   This is why they should get the flu vaccine, but it is definitely less effective for them.

In the end to suggest that a disease that has a over-all death rate of less than half of 1/10 of percent for people under 75 is a joke.  AND to make this clear.  This is not annually, this is since Jan of 2020 , so its its a 2 year death rate..    its a 1/4 of 1/10% overall death rate for my county for those under 75.    Is there really a pandemic.  We have 0(zero) pediatric deaths under the age of 17 in the two years.

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