Is a Generator that runs on Natrual Gas instead of gasoline a good idea? How long would Natrual Gas last in an emergency?

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  • Mon, May 28, 2012 - 03:48pm

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    treemagnet

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    But where?

Woodgas – I’ve looked at it, but where can you acquire a good model?   I’ve made little projects with my son for entertainment, but from reading about them, if you don’t get all the resins, etc out of the gas you will ruin your generator – is Victory in business?  Any recommendations? 

  • Mon, May 28, 2012 - 10:07pm

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    wrong on at least one count

treemagnet wrote:

I think DTM said they can easily live on 1kw gen power or less.  Bullshit. 

Before spraying bullshit all over this thread, get your FACTS right…….

http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/the-power-of-energy-effici…

  • Tue, May 29, 2012 - 03:13am

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    Nat Gas reliability

Addressing Tommy Holly’s original query regarding the reliability of Nat Gas in an extended emergency.

I would hesitate to go with Nat Gas if there’s another available energy source that can be stored up.  Compressor stations that have to stay online to keep the gas flowing would be my concern for an extended emergency.  Somewhere in there would be the necessity for people to show up and do their jobs when everything is going SHTF around them.  At some point, somebody’s going to want to stay home and protect their family instead.

Shorter term emergencies such as power outages, winter storms, hurricanes; I would think Nat Gas is fine.  You would have a constant supply of power without having to go out and fill up the gas tank every so often.  But I would need a back up supply of something else for an extended emergency.  Same goes for your cooking stove and your Nat Gas furnace if that’s what you have.

As far as the size of the genset, I agree with others that 20kw is a little on the heavy side.  BUT, the way these things are priced, there is very little incremental cost in going from 7kw on up to the 20kw, and the installation cost is pretty much the same in either case.  Sure, I could run my house on less than 1.5kw per 24 hours and have routinely done so.  There have been times, however, when the grid power went down and I have been very happy to let the generator kick on and supply whatever devices were running at that time.   

 

 

 

  • Tue, May 29, 2012 - 04:36pm

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    DTM, please explain

I’m sure your smart, knowledgeable, etc.  I’ve read some of your posts and generally respect them for the most part.   But you cannot seriously mean to suggest that a home for say, four – could be powered with a Honda 1Kw generator…..or less…right?  Folks go camping and “rough it” with more than that.   If thats spraying bullshit – then I’m guilty.   My post on my experience with gensets are correct  for me.    Lastly, did you reference your own site as a source?   

  • Wed, May 30, 2012 - 06:05am

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    Gasifier suppliers

Treemagnet,

Victory Gasworks and Gekgasifier are two American woodgasifier brands. Expensive, but good, when in hands of an experienced operator and fed with the right fuel.

Every engine runs most efficient near max torque. Running it at 10% power means a great percentage of fuel is lost due to internal friction. Imagin it running at 0% power, so idle. Which genset uses most fuel: a 5 kW or a 50 kW?

You can live on 1 kW. 1 kW means 24 kWh a day. That’s 2.5 times the average household consumption in my country. You might need a battery pack and 2 or 3 kW inverter, depending on momentary power demand. I like my wind and solar system with a cheap generator as backup. It is a lazy way of power production. Only little maintenance, uses no oil and fuel, it is quiet, less complicated, half of it may break down and it still will limp on. In a TSHTF scenario you do not want to worry about fuel supply and maintenance, by having only one energy source. A genset should be the backup for your regular off-grid system. We have grid power, but I sized the off-grid system only that large that it can supply enough those few vital power users. The off-grid system runs these vital parts continously, in order to keep the batteries exercised.

I see a fossil fuel powered generator as a temporary methode. Good for a few days or weeks. So one needs to think for what timeframe he wants power backup and decide accordingly.

Regards, DJ

  • Wed, May 30, 2012 - 07:47am

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    The power of Energy efficiency

treemagnet wrote:

I’m sure your smart, knowledgeable, etc.  I’ve read some of your posts and generally respect them for the most part.   But you cannot seriously mean to suggest that a home for say, four – could be powered with a Honda 1Kw generator…..or less…right?  Folks go camping and “rough it” with more than that.   If thats spraying bullshit – then I’m guilty.   My post on my experience with gensets are correct  for me.    Lastly, did you reference your own site as a source?   

For goodness sake…..  did you even BOTHER to look at my link?  

http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/the-power-of-energy-effici…

We live on 2.5 kWh/day, confirmed by “the power bill”, $260 in CREDIT, that turned up yesterday which shows we used 2.48 kWh/day for the last 92 days.  That means we use 100W continuous, 24/7.

At that rate, we would have no problem at all living on the output of a generator that puts out ten times our background useage,

Mike

  • Wed, May 30, 2012 - 02:33pm

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    Nope

No, I didn’t find the time to study your website.  I didn’t realize it was an assignment.  Look, I think you’re smart and I like engaging folks who know something I don’t.  Simple conversations, lively discussions, and healthy arguments – even nasty ones serve a purpose.  I’ll will look at your website to learn.  Stoic sites and their members, preparing folks for the “end of days” and such who launch into a hissy fit when baited with the claim of “bullshit” are, in my opinion, hilarious [see also: context].  Relax, much worse than me will come your way.   My family argues and debates all topics – its a skill to be sharpened, honed, and appreciated.  No way can the vast majority of people live of that 1KW Honda – and you know it.  You’ll have to explain to folks how all they get is one 100watt light bulb for ALL POWER and ALL ENERGY for their home…goodl luck.  Yes you can – good for you.  But to suggest otherwise is disingenuous – the very world you depend on has come to rely on more.  You don’t need a hospital, grocery store, mail-order/internet anything, building supply center, roads, local govt, law enforcement, schools, oil/gas/energy/diesel/kerosene, etc.  Just you and your 2.5kw a day will keep the bad things away?  Because thats what your “throwin down”.   So, just know that I’m gonna learn more about what makes your world tick and apply some of it to mine.

Now I’m off to read your site, maybe even ask you a question or two about it – if you’re open to it.

  • Wed, May 30, 2012 - 07:35pm

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    nope

treemagnet wrote:

Now I’m off to read your site, maybe even ask you a question or two about it – if you’re open to it.

I’m actually here to help you know………

Mike

  • Wed, May 30, 2012 - 09:05pm

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    DTM….first thing

Went to the site, took a peak and looked around, I liked what I saw.  Conservation seems to be job #1.  I bought a $26 large LED bulb and watched my new “it will outlive bugs” investment burn out 65 percent of the leds within a couple of months… maybe three tops.  And, the light color was odd – very …..flourescent? 

Anyway, I’m not giving up hope – but are there good names out there?  Regarding solar, I’ve looked but here in the U.S. upper midwest, solar power commands about as much commercial respect as a wind mill blade polishing service.  Besides drilling holes in a perfectly good roof, they’d be covered in snow for five months, with lousy light for another 2-3.  The obstacles are adding up. 

So now I heat my home, greenhouse, and water with wood pellets.  Certainly not as good as solar, but better than oil outright.  The genset is my “plan D”  (wood/grid/propane/genset).  

Back to bulbs and conserving, thoughts/brandnames?  Thank you, Treemagnet

  • Wed, May 30, 2012 - 11:48pm

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    Kilowatts and hours

one 100watt light bulb for ALL POWER and ALL ENERGY

I’m not sure what you think you meant by that phrase but a 1kW generator can churn out enough power for 10 such light bulbs, continuously. So there would be 10 times the power that you appear to think there would be. A 1kW generator, running continuously (probably hypothetically) could churn out 24 kWh each day. That would be enough for most homes, I would think (we’re on about 13 kWh per day), and the peak power needed would probably be less than 1 kW – usually.

Tony

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