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  • Sat, Dec 07, 2019 - 11:32pm   (Reply to #20)

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    davefairtex

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    re: Humanity And Honor – Where Are They?

Here’s a study:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120329142035.htm

When intelligence and socioeconomic background are pitted directly against one another, intelligence is a more accurate predictor of future career success, researchers have found.

I should have said that IQ is the best “sole” predictor of economic success.  Certainly if your parents are billionares or high ranking politicians, that helps a lot too.  (Hunter Biden: arguably did quite well at Burisma because of who his dad was)

And – importantly – the converse isn’t true.  Just because you don’t have economic success doesn’t mean you are stupid.  You may have a high IQ, but for some reason, you chose to study philosophy, for example.  And of course there’s the collection of other reasons you brought up.

But – on average – if you have a higher IQ, you will have more economic success.

If you have “average” supportive parents, and an “average” upbringing, and an “average” neighborhood, and you pick a decent career, and you have an IQ > 130, you will – most of the time – have an above average economic success result.

Note: I was not making any claims of moral superiority.  It is just about the ability to pay for that weekend.

And Granny, I suspect if you took an IQ test you would do substantially better than “average.”  That’s just my sense anyway.  Would that please or horrify you?  It would be an interesting journey to watch you go through.  🙂

OOG-

Very cool.  I agree with living below your means.  When I was an overpaid engineer I managed to collect my toys – but I bought them used, and I kept them for a decade, and overall I lived way below my means.  But I also hardly ever took vacation, and I think I probably should have done that more.  And it wouldn’t have killed my bank account to fly biz every now and then.  🙂  Just saying.

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  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 07:44am

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    westcoastjan

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    Not the place to debate

I respect some of the perspectives put forth and do understand where people are coming from. I also thought that this article was simply to ask for feedback, not to debate the merits, morals or ethical considerations that might apply to the proposed weekend getaway. If we want to do that let’s start a new space dedicated to conversations around that topic.

I will add just one more thought: as with many things in life, just because you can does not mean you should. I do feel that the reason we have so many predicaments we desperately need to manage on an urgent basis is because way too many organizations and people did things they could, with thought for if they should, or what the cumulative collateral damages from their decisions would be. And in spite of our intellectual abilities and capacity for understanding, many organizations and people are STILL doing things they can, without really thinking about if they should.

My own thinking about the weekend getaway is coloured by the fact that make my living promoting accessibility and inclusion for people with disabilities. I wonder how many of you know that this cohort is the largest minority group in the world? So many people with disabilities experience significant poverty due to exclusion.

I work bloody hard – as do many people!  I too deserve a great vacation! Lord knows a weekend like this would be wonderful. But my egalitarian persona is such that I would not be able to enjoy it without feeling guilty that so many in my cohort, and all of the other marginalized cohorts, will never, ever be able to do such an indulgent thing.

But again, that is just me. We are all entitled to make choices that align with our own  values and way of being in the world. I do not have ill feelings towards anyone who would partake in such an event. If it feeds your soul and makes you feel great then do it. I might add do it while you can for we are already seeing evidence that ostentatious displays of wealth are not only not appreciated, but increasingly being met with actions that reflect the disdain of the have nots. Can we blame them?

Jan

 

 

  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 08:03am

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    Handyman Blues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YmHtISRcz0

 

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  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 08:32am

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    More on Humanity

”And – importantly – the converse isn’t true.  Just because you don’t have economic success doesn’t mean you are stupid.“

Thanks Dave, thats the point I was trying to make.

“But – on average – if you have a higher IQ, you will have more economic success”

Yes, that makes sense.

“Note: I was not making any claims of moral superiority.  It is just about the ability to pay for that weekend.”

I believe you. However the message that comes across is that – hey its the smart duds that can afford the weekend! A little salt in the wound for those who are struggling. Ouch

And Granny, I suspect if you took an IQ test you would do substantially better than “average.”  That’s just my sense anyway.  Would that please or horrify you?  It would be an interesting journey to watch you go through.  🙂

Thanks Dave. Here is what I know for sure.  There are ever so many people that are way smarter than me.   But a whole lot of them are lacking in empathy and compassion.  Our economic system highly, highly rewards smart narcissists and sociopaths. Perhaps its a good thing to have a Granny like me occasionally say hey- empathy, compassion and love are and should be more important than IQ and money. Not only do more than a few need this reminder they need a kick in the but when saying it just to get their attention. IMHO of course.

And lastly I would be insulted and think Adam and Chris were being hypocritical if I didn’t believe and have seen evidence that they do indeed care about people and our planet.

Glad you clarified your statements Dave.

AKGrannyWGrit

There is an old saying – “don’t tell how much you know until you show me how much you care!”

 

 

 

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  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 10:13am

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    Thanks Newsboy!

Thanks Newsboy – don’t know how the video applies to the topic but hey – its your feedback!  Love the way threads take on a life if their own

Enjoyed the video!

  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 11:35am   (Reply to #20)

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    why is the world so f-ed up?

Maybe it’s not just because of those rich high IQ folks.

Personally, I see culpability at every level of the IQ and wealth scale, from top to bottom.  I also don’t see lack of compassion and greed as being the exclusive realm of the rich and/or high IQ nor do I see kindness and generosity as being the exclusive realm of the poor and/or low IQ.  There are both virtuous and corrupt poor and compassionate and cruel rich.  And there are poor with high IQs (recalling one of the most multi-talented persons I ever met was living in a homeless shelter) and rich with average IQs (although I have to admit, I can’t think of any rich with rock bottom IQs).

I will say though that, in my personal experience, the folks that have been the most successful financially have usually worked their butts off to achieve that particular goal, especially those that came from disadvantaged backgrounds or backgrounds with no particular advantage.  And I’ve seen many folks of lesser financial means criticize those with more means and begrudge them those means but be unwilling to work and sacrifice in the manner necessary to achieve those means.  Different strokes for different folks.

From a broader view though, any time the rich and/or smart start denigrating the poor and/or not-so-smart  OR  the poor and/or not-so- smart begin denigrating the rich and/or smart, they are entering dangerous territory.  We each stand on the merits of who we are or are not as individuals, not on what group or class someone with a limited human perspective happens to lump us with.

  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 02:47pm

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    ao – ahh no

“We each stand on the merits of who we are or are not as individuals, not on what group or class someone with a limited human perspective happens to lump us with.”

Sounds great ao.

We have about what 5% of the world’s population and incarcerate 25% of the worlds prisoners.  Think a poor black young man in an inner city would agree with you?  And how come every dam form we fill out asks what ethnicity we are and our age? No particular reason?  Someone wants to know so we can all be categorized. We are all lumped into some demographic, cohort or grouping, we are judged and evaluated. And only rarely are we judged on individual merits, hmmmm college entrance exams and for insurance purposes, fitness scales all measured against a specific set of parameters based on a grouping.

Limited human perspective is ubiquitous! And prejudice and judgement are the norm.  But I would enjoy living in your world, got room on that magical island do you?  Would like to visit.

AKGranny

 

  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 03:24pm

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    agitating prop

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    Competency and IQ

My last response here was either deleted or it’s a problem with my personal tech.

Trying to survive and or thrive in a service based economy requires catering to those who have disposable income. These necessary business models illuminate income disparity. We should have equal compassion for everyone shoehorned into a world that none of us created but have to adjust to.

IQ is almost beside the point. The people I know who are the wealthiest have middling intellect and are very mundane thinkers.  What they do have going for them and the reason they will outdistance those more intelligent is that they have much more natural vitality, energy.

They work 18 hour days because they can.  It is a physiological reality, not necessarily a virtue. This type too, frequently has obsessive personality disorder (not OCD.  That’s different) which is comorbid, for lack of better words, with disdain for those who can’t work as long and hard.

Jordan Peterson, much as I love a lot of what he says, has made it fashionable to bring I Q back into social cultural and economic discussions.  He is an academic who is enthralled with ideas of IQ and competency, but doesn’t discuss how pathology is woven into that fabric.

 

 

 

 

  • Sun, Dec 08, 2019 - 03:34pm

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    Steve

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    What the …?

Are you kidding me?  So many of these other posts have been far too gentle.  Hopefully, that was apparent to those reading between the lines.

I need to check my ticket and see if I am at the correct party.

Too rich for my blood…

Do we live on the same planet?  Have you heard about the 3 E’s?  If not, contact me to get filled in.

A fool and his money…

I know, you were innocently requesting feedback and maybe this was an over-reaction.

Really, there are likely plenty of people reading this blog who have tons of $$$ to burn and don’t have the where-with-all to figure out for themselves what to do with our challenging future.  You can genuinely be a true blessing to these folks, helping them, while pocketing some USD to convert into resilient resources.  Not a bad trade at all.  Probably more useful to the buyers than the sellers.

I say, go for it.

Now, I need to get back to figuring out how much of this useless 401k I can convert to USD for buying useful tangible assets prior to the big one.

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Jan,

Thanks for speaking up for the disabled.  Nobody could work harder than you, working with and for the needs of people so terribly underserved and unrecognized.

My life has been severely impacted by an illness that has only recently been recognized as being a real physical disease, not an emotionally based problem or one of intentional malingering.

I’ve been lucky financially and that is what all those who don’t have to worry about money should also focus on, the role that luck plays in their lives.

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