Intensive Couples Health Weekend
Nice idea for those who can afford it. Maybe make it 5 days, charge 12,000.00 and pocket some change. If somebody can afford 3,000.00 easily, quadruple that is no big deal.
I would narrow angle focus on strategies to get out of the country…where to go, how to get there, what to expect etc…Wealthy people like the idea that they can buy their way out of calamity. Maybe that’s a whole other get away. Also should include people who are single.
- This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by agitating prop.
If my wife and I weren’t pinned down with young kids, we’d be there. Our relationships with ourselves, our bodies and each other are worth the investment. Also my wife has never really bought into the PP message. This would be a great opportunity to soft peddle some of the ideas to her to help move our family into better alignment with our resilience efforts. Finally, it just sounds enjoyable. We work hard on our careers, family and homestead and haven’t taken a vacation in seven years. I could see extending this by a few days for a yoga retreat and hiking in the area.
afterwards of course I would rush back home to continue stockpiling ammo and flagging myself with a garden hoe while listening to weather band radio.
- This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by Thetallestmanonearth.
This weekend is a good idea for those wanting to start shaping their behavior to become more healthy or to substantially modify that behavior.
However, in my experience, enacting ongoing behavior change requires persistent practice and on-going professional support. Knowledge and insight from a weekend such as this may be a good start, but developing healthy skills and habits requires practice that’s best done in one’s day-to-day activities in order for the desired changes to become ingrained and sustained. It’s very difficult for most people to maintain persistent practice and deal with the inevitable shortfalls and roadblocks without ongoing support.
I would suggest that you set up an online system of education and professional support. This system might offer presentations to expand participants’ knowledge base as well as individualized encouragement and problem-solving. And it might offer a referral service to local professionals when support of these online efforts is needed.
Such a system would be helpful in reducing costs and enhancing effectiveness of one’s efforts to reduce health damaging behavior and enhance healthy habits.
From your Living on Borrowed Time article:
What good is Dow 30,000 if 75% of us can’t afford a house or scrape together $400 in an emergency?
With all due respect this weekend getaway thing is just not in keeping with my perception of what this site is supposed to be about. It would seem then that even within this community there are parallels to society – there are haves and have nots, with the haves seeing things through completely different lens than the have nots.
As I reflect on all that is talked about on this site, and the sense of desperation and urgency for action to address all of the terrible predicaments humanity is facing, I cannot help but feel a tremendous sense of incongruence. It just does not make sense to me. I can only speak for myself when I say that even if I could afford it, which in fact I can, I would never be able to truly enjoy it. I would feel like a hypocrite, especially after making so many efforts to spread the 3E message and encourage people to change their ways of life. I can only imagine how they would view me then, the disconnect being so obvious…
With society going to hell in a hand-basket on an unprecedented scale I have evolved to think of these types of things as being morally reprehensible. But that is just me, my values, my way of thinking. To each unto his/her/their own. Each of us has to decide how we walk the walk after we have talked the talk.
So while I’m way too cheap to drop $3k on a weekend doing most anything (!) these days, I don’t think there is anything wrong doing so, if you have the money – and I don’t see anything wrong with PP offering a package of intensive self-help 1:1 consultations that they know from experience actually appeals to people who have come to their events in the past.
If you are a higher end professional, you have just a couple of weeks of vacation a year – you work really hard, you have almost no time off, and time really is money. So its not at all unthinkable to drop $3k to go over all your issues in the course of a weekend. Just do the math: $3000 – 300 lodging = $2700 / 16 hours = $168/hour. That’s not all that expensive.
Examples: An attorney is $400/hour – and a lot more than that if he’s some fancy-pants with a big firm. Heck, I charged $150/hour during dotcom almost 20 years ago! The typical hourly is basically your annual salary / 1000. Friend at google (one of my former direct reports) was making $250k year about 6 years ago. Maybe he does $350k now? I can’t even imagine the hourly. Mind = blown.
Ok, so $168/hour is – well, not nothing, but certainly its not nuts for anyone who is well paid in silicon valley.
Of course not everyone is an overpaid engineer, attorney, doctor, whatnot. But there are plenty of them out there, hiding in the cracks, ashamed of parading their lofty salary in front of the group, and they have way more money than time. At least judging from my own past experience…2 weeks of vacation per year, and maybe you end up taking just one – sometimes even none – because of schedule pressure.
Lots more money than time. And lots of stress.
Anyhow. Not crazy to charge $3k, in my opinion, to get looked after for all the built-up stuff. And might as well have a higher end experience while you’re at it.
Lots of these professionals just don’t take vacation. That’s my observation from my time in the industry.
My two cents.
[Hope this isn’t a duplicate post – my first one disappeared after I edited it.]
I think one of the most important attributes we can have is adaptability – being able to change and adapt to what’s happening in these interesting times. I knew a guy who was very generous with his time but was also always looking for the next approach for how he could make an income stream – hosting workshops at his permaculture farm, making and selling honey, a mobile pizza oven, and on and on. Taking chances and finding out what was marketable.
So I’m not bothered at all with Adam and Chris offering this workshop. They’re testing the waters, putting themselves out there, seeing what works. If it sells out, clearly they are meeting a need; if no one signs up, they can move on to something else.
I think it was John Michael Greer who said that there is no “one best way” to respond to our predicament — he said everyone should try as many different approaches as possible, the way that nature spreads seeds all over the place and the ones that end up in the right environment will grow.
“As I reflect on all that is talked about on this site, and the sense of desperation and urgency for action to address all of the terrible predicaments humanity is facing, I cannot help but feel a tremendous sense of incongruence”
I have at times felt that way too. It seems that the membership is made up of a lot of well-to-do folks. Often I long to hear someone shouting to the masses “don’t you understand just how much frustration, pain and suffering there really is out there?” In all fairness Chris and Adam do a good job describing, explaining and heightening awareness of our predicaments. At times I want to share my awareness with my children and grandchildren who chose not to think about the three “E’s” because just working and putting food on the table is all the stress and anxiety they can handle. So I watch quietly as they again, pursue another fun adventure on weekends and vacations. Perhaps they are the sane and smart ones because they, like Chris and Adam, are living in the present and seeking to enjoy life to its fullest. There are times to say to hell with preparing, lets go have some fun. So I genuinely hope the event provides useful information and an enjoyable times for anyone who goes.
So Granny thinks that PP is comprised of a “lot of well-to-do folks.” Is she right?
Let’s imagine PP has the normal distribution of income among its membership. We don’t skew smarter than average, we are depressingly normal.
So 5% of the membership earns – the same as the top 5% of income levels in the US.
How much is that, you ask?
That’s $299,810. Per year.
So if we imagine that PP has a readership of (picking a number out of my butt) say 100,000, that says there are 5,000 readers who can very easily drop 1% of annual income on a fix-me-up weekend at a nice place.
So in a word, Granny is right. There are a lot of well-to-do folks here, because we have a lot of readers.
This is the same group of people who are interested in real estate seminars. I mean, if you pull in $300k/year, and you act even a little frugally, you will have some spare cash to invest, and there has to be something better than just dropping it all into T-bills (or little gold bars), yes?
Think of all the medical (and psychological – and spiritual) problems you can avoid if you engage in a little prevention. Worth 1% of one year’s income.
Related question: Should our readers who are in the top 5% be ashamed at being in the top 5%? Should they be kicked out of the PP club if they are “economically successful”? Did they do something wrong?
Last point. Intelligence is supposedly the best predictor for economic success. If we go with the conceit that “PP readers are smarter than average” (shades of Lake Woebegone here), then presumably, we probably have a larger percentage of people who make top 5%. To frame this: IQ score (“very gifted”) > 130 is 2.1% of population.
Average physics graduate: IQ 133, computer science: 124, administration: 107. Almost certainly, most of my friends have IQ scores > 130. That’s just how it is. “Birds of a feather”, etc. Do they all make top 5%? Well, unless they drop out (like me), probably yes. We don’t talk about it though.
Not to pick on a single individual here – but of course that means I’m getting ready to do just that – the average salary of an ER doctor according to “salary.com” is … are you ready? $242,910 – $333,849. That’s straddling the top 5%. But seriously. Do you really want someone stupid to be treating you when TSH your personal fan? Yeah, probably not.
Dave you asked: “ Should our readers who are in the top 5% be ashamed at being in the top 5%? Should they be kicked out of the PP club if they are successful and make money? Did they do something wrong?”
No… they should be commended for their hard work and success.
If expulsion was the rule, I would have to kick myself out, being way above your threshold……… Except that the issue here is not about how much you have, but what you do with it.
Living below your means is very enabling. Jimmy Carter has it nailed (so to speak). He can do whatever he wants to with his assets, but he chooses to create a more sustainable and prosperous world for others. I hope to someday have that level of humanity.
“Last point. Intelligence is supposedly the best predictor for economic success. “
Or, it could be the advantage of having well-to-do parents, good schools, good role models, good healthcare and opportunities. Those who are alcoholics, drug addicts and economic failures are not necessarily stupid. Many children who are abused regardless of how bright they are self destruct. So all those economically successful people who are turning around in circles patting themselves on the back cause they are sooo smart….. well if they are so smart why us the world so f—-ed up? It’s not cause of the poor, its the high IQ folks who run the wars, corporations and governments.
And remember Enron? They bragged that they hired THE Smartest people. How’d that work out?
Perhaps those with high IQ’s are more impressed with themselves than the rest of us are.