inspiration of the Biblical kind
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Rowmat is right I did set myself up for controversy … not even giving a thought about the fact that anyone who did not have like beliefs would even care to look at the forum .
Now back to the economic issue and verse .. Eccl.10:1 Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinky oder, So does the little folly that is in reputation for wisdom and honor .
What will we do with all the dead flies ? There are sure to be overwhelmingly MANY. Training in the mortuary career is surly as secure as any can be … death is a certainty no matter what your belief is.
oops not very inspiring or uplifting today , guess we all have down times .
Proverbs 2:1-6 My son,if thou wilt receive my words and hide my commandments with thee:so that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom , and supply thine heart to understanding ;yea if you criest after knowledge and liftest up thy voice for understanding ;if thou seekest her as silver and searchest for her as hidden treasure;then shalt thou understand the reverence of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord giveth wisdom ;out of His mouth cometh knowledge and understanding .
anarkst – I don’t speak for everyone; never have, never will. It was a generic statement in response to someone who thinks this is all a game.
1. I do know the answer – but I’m not going to waste my breath, or my intellect, on someone who’s just here to amuse themselves.
2. See #1.
Of course I am here to amuse myself. Do you really believe we are all here to solve the problems of Mankind? I enjoy a good discussion/debate like the next guy, but I try to keep it in perspective.
Come on Sam. I promise to behave myself.
Rowmat , I may PM you my questions . For now Gungir is giving them a go. I do consider myself a recovering Christian from a legalistic church of my own choosing . Not the one that my loving parents raised me in. But by no means an Atheist .
I do respect your view’s … it was not my intent to offend anyone but the ugliness with in me came to surface . I offend you and many others here . I am sorry !! Will you all forgive me?
Diana, inspite of what you may think, I didn’t ever feel you were being deliberately offensive.
Other’s may have felt differently, but I can’t speak for them.
So I don’t feel you need to ask for forgiveness from me, or even the ‘GBOITS’… You don’t!
My issue with much religious debate is the tendency to put down non-believers by implication which is often unintended but (IMO) should not go unchallenged.
As I said previously it is not uncommon for believers to claim the ‘high ground’ when it comes to ‘goodness’ almost as if they invented it.
It seems quite a few feel they must ‘religiously’ adhere to the literal word of the bible(s) (choose your version!) in order to reap the rewards that are promised later.
But of course what is the correct ‘literal’ interpretation?… good luck finding consensus there, even amongst believers!
Do I disagree with the compassionate messages that positive Christianity promotes?… of course not, but that often becomes an issue in itself, because as I said, religion… or to be specific in this case, Christianity, is not an exclusive pre-requisite for inspiration, thoughtfulness, humanity, generosity, love, charity, humility…. or compassion.
I think much of the Old Testament is recipe for disaster should it be taken literally… well in some circles it appears it still is!
You should recall those videos I posted and that guy that wanted to "Punch someone in the face for Jesus!"
To give you a little of my background I worked at Royal Victorian Institute for the Blind for several years, and also as a residential childcare worker looking after Rubella kids, I’ve donated my services to charities and aged care homes and am currently involved in a local community group promoting local food production. Am I perfect? NO!.. Am I faultless?.. NO!… Of course not!
There’s plenty that do a great deal more than me.
Because I don’t literally believe in a great supernatural entity and the promise of some ‘heavenly’ afterlife (just as long as I’m a good non-doubting believer) I don’t feel a lesser human being as a result.
Spirituality and religion are invariably misinterpreted as being one and the same.
Because I’m not religious doesn’t mean I’m not spiritual.
I kind of like what Buddhism represents and consider it more of a philosphy combined with a spiritual sense of ‘being’.
Do we exit our mothers womb as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu… an Athiest??
No… a newborn child enters the world with no such bias…. other than complete unadulterated ‘humanity’!
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Zombie 210 says:
Anarkst, think of it as having the lack of belief in a god or some sort. Like most religious people do in regards to different belief systems.
Atheists just go that extra god further.
Zombie, I understand what you are saying but if an Atheist believes that God does not exist, should we not have a name for every possible thing that people don’t think exists?
anarkst, I understand your pov about the use of the word but its convention and no one has come up with another one thats as good apparently.
And to be precise, atheism is not belief that a god/gods do not exist but simply lacking that, i.e. not having found any good reason TO believe in one. Atheism is the default position, everyone is born that way but has to learn otherwise.
I think the big problem is that people seem unable to separate their spirituality from religion. One is their own personal beliefs and their personal relationship with the divine. The other is a man-made set of rules and dogma developed to proscribe and enforce a model of behavior through fear and intimdation. For someone truly spiritual, the ramifications of "un-right" behavior is internal and immediate… their is no need for Fear of God or Eternal Damnation. If one bothers to study the actual teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed et al they all speak to developing a personal relationship with the divine and remembering that we are all interconnected (every person, animal, plant and mineral in the Universe). Then some political organization had to go and develop a structured religion around those perfectly good ideas… and start doling out dos and don’ts so they can remain in control.
I am a highly spiritual person. I believe in the divine; but I also believe in fairies, aliens, and multi-dimensional creatures. Since I can neither prove nor disprove their existence, or the existence of a "heaven" for that matter, then I must accept that they are possible… but it doesn’t mean I have to believe all the doctrine and hoopla stories built up around it. (Remember: not being able to prove something does not mean it doesn’t exist, and not being able to disprove it doesn’t mean it does exist… those are flaws in logic )
Great post. Thanks. I wonder if yoga is ever going to become an established religion? I’ve talked to a lot of people who say that the presence of others, increases the depth and trance of their meditation. I wonder if church does the same thing, kind of like welding your spirituality to mob psychology a bit? I think if I was going to seriously consider becoming religious I would become a Sufi and twirl with others. I wouldn’t say I belive in fairies, aliens and multi dimensional creatures, but speaking from personal experience, it certainly appears they are as objectively real as most other things I accept as real.
BUT, not being able to prove something sorta points to the fact that there is no reasonable reason TO think it does exist eh?