inspiration of the Biblical kind

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  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 08:36pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

[quote=Gungnir]

…The only exception I take with the thread is with the title since it’s exclusive. Inspiration can be found in all spiritualities and religions, and thus I would prefer this to be a philosophical and spiritual inspirational thread vs. a Biblical inspirational thread

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I agree with you on these points.

As I said I have no issue with a philosophical spiritual/religious discussion, the problem occurs where an individual enters a non-religious forum essentially promoting a particular ‘brand’ of religion especially when quotations are reeled off from the scriptures.

If people are keen there are many places they can go to seek out any kind of religion they wish.

Religion… or to be specific in this case, Christianity is not a pre-requisite for inspiration, thoughtfulness, humanity, generosity, love, charity, humility etc.

There tends to be a commonly held view by many ‘believers’ that religion is indeed a requirement for the above which I find by implication, quite frankly, offensive.

I didn’t come here to start a thread about atheism, humanism or choosing to do the right thing without expectation…. but I just might!

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 11:18pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

Tracking.

  • Fri, Jul 03, 2009 - 04:28am

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

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…Because "derailment" is such a subjective term, a user would not be banned for that offense unless – after repeated warnings – it was abundantly clear that the user was disrupting multiple threads merely for the sake of crashing the party.

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Jason, let me cite an example where a biblical quotation is used in an attempt to support an argument.

Supposing we are discussing ‘peak oil’ and what are we going to do when oil becomes unaffordable for most people.

Someone then responds along the lines of….

"It doesn’t matter about ‘peak oil (or the resulting food shortages etc.) because as long as you have faith "The Lord will provide".

At that point the discussion shifts from the specifics of ‘peak oil’ theory to the controversy regarding the merits (or lack thereof) of the supporting statement being, "The Lord will provide", because it is based entirely on religious faith and not based on any physical elements of the subject of ‘peak oil’ itself.

My specific question to you is would you regard criticism of any biblical quotation and/or belief in a supernatural force that is used as a basis to support an argument on this website (and the resultant ‘heated debate’ that would undoubtedly ensue) as having derailed the thread?

If as a moderator your response is "Yes" , then I’m afraid we are likely to be in for some interesting times ahead.

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

rowmat, I think you are asking two questions.  The first is: "Can assertions based on a religious idea be made in the general forums?"  No.  We prefer that posts which require religious discussion in order to respond to them be made in the CT folder.  A person can then post a hyperlink to their new thread.  The CT folder, then, is the correct place to make the original assertion, "No need to worry because…"

Religion is an important part of many people’s lives, and we expect this to seep out, incidentally, on the main forums.  We don’t want to nitpick: we simply prefer that discussions about religion take place within the CT folder.

The second question is whether we would [quote=rowmat]"…regard criticism of any biblical quotation and/or belief in a supernatural force that is used as a basis to support an argument on this website (and the resultant ‘heated debate’ that would undoubtedly ensue) as having derailed the thread?"[/quote] No.  The example you offered is essentially a religious argument, since its basis depends upon the truth of a religious idea.  Therefore, in order to intelligently discuss it, its basis would have to be debated.  Rather than derailing the discussion, it is the essence of proper discussion.

Derailing a discussion is when a user repeatedly posts inflammatory P.E.T.A. texts in the middle of a thread which is specifically discussing methods of chicken slaughter.  That principle applies in all the forums. 

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

Turkish TV gameshow looks to convert atheists

  • Sat, Jul 04, 2009 - 01:43am

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

Thanks Jason.

That clarifies things!

Cheers.

[quote=Moderator Jason]

rowmat, I think you are asking two questions.  The first is: "Can assertions based on a religious idea be made in the general forums?"  No.  We prefer that posts which require religious discussion in order to respond to them be made in the CT folder.  A person can then post a hyperlink to their new thread.  The CT folder, then, is the correct place to make the original assertion, "No need to worry because…"

Religion is an important part of many people’s lives, and we expect this to seep out, incidentally, on the main forums.  We don’t want to nitpick: we simply prefer that discussions about religion take place within the CT folder.

The second question is whether we would [quote=rowmat]"…regard criticism of any biblical quotation and/or belief in a supernatural force that is used as a basis to support an argument on this website (and the resultant ‘heated debate’ that would undoubtedly ensue) as having derailed the thread?"[/quote] No.  The example you offered is essentially a religious argument, since its basis depends upon the truth of a religious idea.  Therefore, in order to intelligently discuss it, its basis would have to be debated.  Rather than derailing the discussion, it is the essence of proper discussion.

Derailing a discussion is when a user repeatedly posts inflammatory P.E.T.A. texts in the middle of a thread which is specifically discussing methods of chicken slaughter.  That principle applies in all the forums. 

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

Now that’s an interesting concept… saving someone from sanity?

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Turkish TV gameshow looks to convert atheists

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  • Sat, Jul 04, 2009 - 05:05am

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

Proverbs 28: 19   He that tilleth his land shall have plenty of bread : he that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough.

  Seems like wisdom with a promise to me !!    We have had a wonderful wheat harvest this year 83 bushels an acre .. This is almost 20 more than normal.   I am counting as a blessing .. maybe even  storing some extra  up for lean years .

7 cows ate 7 cows

In the dream of Pharoah.

This is troubling.

What does it mean?

Somebody must know.

 

Hard times coming!

I see need.

Jospeh showed us how to feed.

Stop the violence!

Stop the greed!

Share the harvest.

Save the seed.

  • Sat, Jul 04, 2009 - 04:50pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

didn’t adam eat of the tree of knowledge and damn humanity?

the ideals of christianity like many of the world’s religions are burried beneath a monstrous power structure which slings believes across continents to smite heathens of all sorts 

the golden rule of christianity will be very useful as humanity is forced to reinvent civilization;  we have the capability to unite in projects to elevate the clans of man collectively and "do unto others" will serve as a guide as well as anything

christianity does not have to be rigid and dogmatic catering to the elite power structure within church bureaucracy

the certainty of dogma stiffles progress ,  since it is only through being wrong that we learn;  it will be a challege for many christians to see the multitude of possibilities in the ideas of heathens and atheists

all the clans will need to embrace technology and collaboration to create a more just world and the institutions which slow that which benefits us all will have to be outgrown or changed from within

christianity does have an extremely valuable thread of selflessness and humility  

and besides we’ve wasted a couple thousand years fighting over who has the monopoly on truth,  the entire time truth was emergent and collaborative in nature

the greatest story ever told will never be captured on a stone tablet

it will be written and rewritten continuously

forever

 

 

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