inspiration of the Biblical kind

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  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 03:12pm

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    inspiration of the Biblical kind

Please note, this thread has been deactivated.  Per new site policy, no discussions relating to religion (for or against) should be started or continued.

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 04:09pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

It would be a Blessed thing if we could Move this to the Controversial topics Section.

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 04:12pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

  I do not know how …. do not believe I have read the Contriversial topic Sections .

  Will appreciate any help here .

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 04:16pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

I have taken care of it.  The choice of where to start a forum thread needs to be set when first creating the post.

Ron

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 04:28pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

 Lemonyellowschwin ,    

   I was rather hoping this topic would not have to be hidden  as new viewers may be overwhelmed by some of  the subject matter of the " Chicken Little kind "  … saying I have been there .   And that we can give them hope . It is a battle everyday to keep faith in Our Leaders  so everyone  has to have something to have faith in .   Thus the need for sharing and lifting each other up on days we might be loosing the battle.   If there is too much ridicule  or  Jason thinks it best to be moved then I will do so .

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 05:56pm

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    Oh oh!… religion alert!

I feel allowing religion to permeate this website, inspite of being classed as a controversial topic, is a major error of judgement.

Philosophical discussions are one thing, but using biblical quotes in order to ‘preach’ a point or to attempt to ‘enlighten’ other forum members should be assigned to places of worship and not websites such as this one.

No matter what controversies the moderators have had to deal with in the past, my concern is if religious posts become commonplace it will, without a shadow of a doubt, result in a major deterioration in these forums.

How many members are moderators prepared to ban before the conclusion is reached that religion belongs on religious forums and not on a website such as this one?

As for either advising or expecting ‘non believers’ not to post their opposing views on religious threads… it simply won’t work and unfortunately someone will have to decide which members are going to banned when things heat up.

In reality banning members won’t help either as that will simply escalate any conflict as other members take opposing sides and it will be all downhill from that point.

I suggest it may be wise to include a ‘no religious discussion’ clause in the forums ‘terms and conditions’.
That will then avoid any conflict and enable moderators to terminate religious threads before too much conflict develops.

In the end it’s up to the moderator(s), but if they have had any experience moderating forums in the past they should be aware that religion triggers more conflict than any other subject… period!

So far the moderator(s) have (IMO) dealt with a number of tricky situations admirably.
However when it comes to religion there is no simple solution except avoiding the ‘minefield’  entirely.

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 05:59pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

Hello all,

This is the perfect place to clarify our policy on religion.  As another user noted, it is very difficult to avoid the minefield entirely.

Topics relating to religion must be created in the Controversial Topics folder.  We will not allow: vigorous evangelizing for specific religions, finding fault with other religions or beliefs (including atheism), or finding fault with users as people for choosing to believe one thing or the other.  Using scripture to justify arguments will only be allowed in the CT folder.

Over time, thread after thread has degenerated into the most explosive arguments when the subject of religion has arisen.  In an attempt to limit the problems with a subject — which, we reasoned, is not directly relevant to the 3 E’s — our policy on discussing religion gradually became more and more restrictive. 

However, upon objective examination, we realized that our position on religion did not match our desire to allow free discussion. Users are expected to respectfully tolerate differences of opinion on almost every other subject.  There is no reason why this civility and respect for differing beliefs should not include some discussions of religion. Consequently, if a user wishes to post some quotes from the Bible, we will not stop them.  What we will do is pursue users who make the sort of aggressive and hateful posts which have, in the past, made civil discussion of religious topics virtually impossible.  This includes users who attempt to intentionally derail threads.

This policy will be periodically reviewed.

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 06:13pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

[quote=Moderator Jason]…Consequently, if a user wishes to post some quotes from the Bible, we will not stop them.  What we will do is pursue users who make the sort of aggressive and hateful posts which have, in the past, made civil discussion of religious topics virtually impossible…[/quote]

Okay just to clarify your point.

If someone posts a biblical quote and I then post a quote from, for example, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins would I be banned?

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 07:14pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

[quote=rowmat]

[quote=Moderator Jason]…Consequently, if a user wishes to post some quotes from the Bible, we will not stop them.  What we will do is pursue users who make the sort of aggressive and hateful posts which have, in the past, made civil discussion of religious topics virtually impossible…[/quote]

Okay just to clarify your point.

If someone posts a biblical quote and I then post a quote from, for example, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins would I be banned?

[/quote]

The reactions to religious posts are not really surprising, since for the past 2000+ years religion has been the major war-maker prior to economics (and even this is semi-controversial, as was religion or economics the driver, or was it religious economics).

rowmat, if we allow christian religious texts then quid pro quo assuming no bias, then posts of quotes from everyone from the Tanakh, Matthew, Mark Luke and John, Martin Luther, the teachings of Buddha, the texts of the Śruti, the The Qur’an, the Wakȟáŋ Tȟáŋka (Great Mystery, in respect to our Lakhota member), wiccanism, Greco-Roman, Norse, Celtic and a host of other spiritualities through to the Yezdi’s, the Aghoris, Dugpas, Aleister Crowley and Anton Szandor LaVey  with side shoots of the Marquis de Sade, Ayn Rand, Nietzsche and Goethe et al. and should be perfectly legit in the controversial topics section. as you can see I’ve done some research on this, and have taken from each of these philosophies and spiritualities. 

This is not an attack on Christianity in any way, everyone is entitled to think and believe as they wish, I’m not going to describe my belief system, or try to convert anyone to my belief system, I expect the same respect from those with their own beliefs. The only exception I take with the thread is with the title since it’s exclusive. Inspiration can be found in all spiritualities and religions, and thus I would prefer this to be a philosophical and spiritual inspirational thread vs. a Biblical inspirational thread

  • Thu, Jul 02, 2009 - 08:04pm

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    Re: inspiration of the Biblical kind

[quote=rowmat] Okay just to clarify your point.

If someone posts a biblical quote and I then post a quote from, for example, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins would I be banned? [/quote] No, of course not. (And in any event, users aren’t banned without warnings.)

The one exception would be if the quote were provocative and by posting it the user was clearly attempting to derail a thread.  By "derail" I mean if a thread were specifically discussing, say, the cultural significance of the removal of rood screens in 16th century Angican church architecture, then a post such as the one you describe (if it were off-topic and provocative enough) and might be seen as an attempt to "derail" the thread by picking an argument unrelated to the purpose of the thread.  We can’t allow every religion thread to devolve into an argument about the existence of God.  In such a case the best practice would be to create a new forum topic, and then create a hyperlink to it. 

Because "derailment" is such a subjective term, a user would not be banned for that offense unless – after repeated warnings – it was abundently clear that the user was disrupting multiple theads merely for the sake of crashing the party.

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