India’s Fake Covid “Crisis”
I think we should absolutely only be diagnosing with clinical presentation and not swabs ( rectal or oral ) I think x-ray/scans can be useful If you present with no symptoms , there is no even a reason to do the test. I have never heard where a medical professional does tests , when there is nothing wrong with people.. ( other than 50 year old anal probe , colonoscopy – which is BS )
Of course ruling out other infections “bacterial” etc makes sense in a lot cases. But for a half decent clinician, with little experience, it should be relatively easy.
I agree the pcr offers little value, though it may be useful in a clinician re-evaluating the patient. that is all. Isnt a nice thing that we had cycles set at 45 when testing healthy people. and only 28 cycles for testing people who have been vaxxed. Keep moving the goal posts to fit your agenda… This is not science Not sure what you call this.
My 5 cents: I checked with some Indian colleagues. They told me horror stories. The are scared tremendously. I tend to believe them. From what I read here, I think that many of you are suffering from “cognitive dissonance”, while I think there is no need. First, it was announced by Modi in that Covid had been beaten. Many religious manifestations were allowed again: huge gatherings of people packed like sardines in a tin can: a virus’ wet dream. Second, India is big, do not think for a second that IVM and HCQ are available to all, and if it were, due to its shere size, local corruption, and class thinking, distribution is bound to be very uneaven. Third, vitamine D deficiency is rampant in India, there are many reports on this online. Fourth, a lot of people have no or little education; in the west many have and the majority still believes in Faucitales. The stories that we hear from India about treatments are told by the well-connected and higher educated, that is, a fraction of a fraction of the population. And finally, a personal believe backed up by some articles of Geert van den Bosch and Harvard scientists on why pandemics come in three waves: India more or less shows how a second wave would have panned out in the west. More people infected, more youngsters (60-) affected. Some countries like Spain, France, and GB were well on my their way, but lockdowns and/or agressive vaccination did curtail it. Third and fourth waves are BS in my opinion, it’s just the second wave rearing its tail.
This all doesn’t negate all that we know here, but it does show that the virus is still ugly because knowledge and means are not evenly distributed; we know that the impact can be reduced or avoided by quinine, cq, hcq, vitamine C+D, zinc, quercitine, ivm, selenium etc..
Oh, before I forget, there is a correlation between PCR infected and actual affected. This can be easily seen when comparing pcr-infected (worldometers) with either deaths or hospitalizations: the shapes are similar. I tend to look at the trends, not at the absolute numbers. Also, I think it is too early to see any possible side effects of the vaccine: according to dr Richard Fleming and others, it would take a year to two years before potential long term side effects could reveil themselves, hence the adjective “long term”. And yes, the new strings could be caused by vaccination, but viruses tend to mutate spontaneously: time will tell.
Take care, Dave
The whole thing is really puzzling to me and doesn’t seem to make sense. Yes the class culture thing in India, along with basic sanitation issues and extreme population density, really seems to be a virus’s “wet dream.” That is why I am profoundly puzzled that India seemed to handle the whole thing so well ( compared to richer western countries) But , even with the institutional problems mentioned above , they seemed to make COVID look so much like a nothing burger. Think about this, they had less than 200k deaths until April explosion. For country that has 4x the population as the US and 1/3 the deaths, that equates to 1/12 the issue that the US has seen. Looking at hospital capacity here in the US, we didnt hit our full , except for a very few regional places for a very short time. I’d argue that even now , where India is currently , is more proportionately like where we are currently, rather than where we were at peak.
I do not know the beds per capita in India, But last recall , the US is no leader in the world when it comes to this and has dropped to half / capita as we had in 1955 and have been on continual downward slope.
I am sure India , has a lot of capacity , and the problem may be more prevalent in some regions and populations, like what we saw in NY. However due to class and culture, some people will never get to hospitals or obtain meds anyway. I have no doubt that India will get this under control. It may seem alarming to them and yo may here horror stories by media or doctors. But remember, for a country, that up to now has been burdened only 1/12 to what the US has seen, this is really first indication that they need to take greater measures. And I am not sure how great that really needs to be, as mask wearing and social distancing and religious gathering were relatively non existent. I do believe , its just a matter that there is more awareness, and for you and me that means just not touching face , and washing hands after touching common objects during flu and cold season, forget having to social distance and masks.. But handwashing is not as trivial in India for some of the population as it is for us in the US. All in all, India has done a fantastic job considering , their culture compared to the US. This is not a second wave for them, Its just the first time, they are genuinely having to deal with the issue , I am sure they will still handle it better than the US , and will get the HCQ and IVM out, they are handing out the packs, may need more.. They may need to do more social distancing, but considering that the majority have gone about their lives as this being a nothing burger, its barely a blip on the radar , AND you will never see the media publish that India’s first wave was relative to us having 1/12 the cases and deaths.. AND they are even now, with all the cultural issues and population density only where the US is currently mind our peak.. That should put this in perspective. Its almost a nothing burger.. ALMOST.
India was invited to the G7 gathering in London. The Indian Foreign Minister showed up positive for C19. Oops. Now he can’t attend the meetings.
This interview with a doctor from India explains much about India’s 2nd wave.
The COVID Crisis in India: an Interview with Dr Dhananjay Bakhle 5-21
I’ll share some excerpts from the article
It is very important to know that health is a state subject and not a central government responsibility. Hence, there are bound to be differences among states.
States like Uttar Pradesh have stuck to Ivermectin and show low numbers despite high population density.
most leading doctors in India are themselves not promoting the Ministry of Health guidelines that includes the use of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin and inhaled budesonide
people from the upper middle class and the elite have been more involved in this wave, while they had escaped the first wave when people from lower socio-economic strata were mostly involved.
This time the upper class are being treated by the elite doctors….but use more expensive drugs like favipiravir and remdesivir
Since the Indian government had restricted the use of Remdesivir to only those patients who require oxygen support, the demand for the drug may have even led to more usage of oxygen in all these patients whether required or not. This may have led to an artificial shortage of oxygen.
Uttar Pradesh [where Ivermectin is more heavily used] again beats this trend and despite lowest vaccinated people, its cases/million are also the lowest. I believe this may be an “Ivermectin effect.
It shows that Uttar Pradesh is doing something right whereas Chattisgarh, Maharashtra & Karnataka are not on track.
Many young patients who show higher blood markers of inflammation like CRP, IL-6 and D-dimer have responded very well to HCQ and Zinc combination
While Ivermectin is a great drug for early treatment, it may not work as well as HCQ, from the experience of many of us in the second wave….The kit should also include Zinc supplement in the dose of 50 mg elemental Zinc along with Doxycycline.
The comment about HCQ above leads me to think that the FLCCC’s I-Mask+ protocol is well designed. Quercetin in I-Mask+ moves zinc into cells much like HCQ but the protocol also includes Ivermectin. I can’t say enough about how impressed I was with I-Mask+ when my elderly parents and I got C19 a month ago.
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That is a really interesting read. just to see that disparity , where population density shows no correlation to the current epidemic. It is more consistent with socio-economics. pretty much the opposite socio-economics we would see in the US. Where the poor people are getting the cheap effective drugs like ( IMV and HCQ) and have better out-comes than those of greater wealth getting completely different treatments , where even if they were started on HCQ , the hospitals are discontinuing in favor of resmesdivir with poorer out comes for those of greater wealth and more elite hospitals. Its sounds like the wealthier you are there, the more westernized your medicine is. Sounds like poor is better and healthier there. Something we cannot say here.
Here is a good site to keep updated on India’s numbers: https://www.ndtv.com/coronavirus/india-covid-19-tracker Also, for overall numbers the best one I feel, and I’ve been watching it since last Feb., is Roy Labs, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDuco7vUnc
Lastly, a good summary of an interview by Doctor John Campbell (a reliable source) and Dr. Nair, from India. It’s from May 1 …….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQdKsLZjmaQ
Take Care Eveyone!
I agree 100%. Although it is an ugly mess in absolute numbers, relatively it is “not too bad”. On the other hand, I realize that this statement could be interpreted as me “loving humankind, but hating humans”; my point is that not everything is fake news.