Importance of WHEN natural immunity is achieved

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  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 02:21pm

    Kevin Schumacher

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    Importance of WHEN natural immunity is achieved

It seems odd to me, and maybe I am missing something, that we even consider the following scenarios and which one is better. I would think that based on Original Antigenic Sin alone.


  1. Natural Immunity: is the only worthwhile scenario
  2. Natural Immunity + Shot: Why bother?
  3. Shot + Natural Immunity:  Wouldn’t the shot mess up the process of acquiring actual natural immunity?


Can someone shed some light on this?  Is there actual science, or science we can trust to prove the benefit of #2 and #3 or is it pure speculation at this point?


  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 02:30pm

    Mike from Jersey

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    Importance of WHEN natural immunity is achieved

Island girl posted this article which has some of the answers to your questions.

Responding to antigens and variants

  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 02:49pm


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    Good question Kevin – this is an important but difficult topic

Here is a new article published by a German scientist who is trying to understand the situation;

More on Original Antigenic Sin and the Folly of Our Universal Vaccination Campaign
A deeper look at a decisive limitation of our adaptive immune systems.

To review: We have now had ten months of mass vaccination against SARS-CoV-2. Nearly 7 billion doses have been administered worldwide. This unprecedented campaign has not eradicated Corona; it has not even suppressed infections. Instead, case statistics have ballooned almost everywhere. While the vaccinated appear to enjoy some protection against severe outcomes, skyrocketing transmission means most countries have seen little benefit, on balance, from their universal vaccination campaigns. The most pressing question has become, simply: What is going on?……

And as to your #3 scenario the same substack writer posted this as a follow-up to Alex Berenson’s original finding in the UK Week 42 report suggesting that indeed the vaccine is messing up our ability to mount a normal (i.e. using N-protein antibodies as a surrogate for normal) and broad immune response post breakthrough infection.  More here;

  • Tue, Oct 26, 2021 - 04:49pm

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Even people with ‘natural immunity’ will keep getting reinfected unless mutation slows… The rollout seemed to speed up virus mutation, which is now 4-times faster than flu, apparently (but only in the S1 – no surprise there…).

In a previous post I mentioned the working paper: “Paradoxical dynamics of SARS-CoV-2 by herd immunity and antibody-dependent enhancement” which raised alarm bells for me last year, as it suggested that people with immunity to the original virus strain reacted very badly to the then dominant global ‘G’ mutation. See image & link:

“Immunity to type S is involved in aggravating type G infections through antibody-dependent enhancement.”

Paul Cottrell adds further light on the subject in a recent interview, where he discusses the Hoskins Effect’:

In summary I wrote: ‘hardwiring’ people to the original Wuhan strain through vaccination or boosters, could elicit the wrong kind of immune response to a new viral variation (or maybe even other types of pathogen)….


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