I Don’t Trust the Vaccinated

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  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:28am

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    Kat43

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    I Don’t Trust the Vaccinated

Geert Vanden Bossche is clear that the immune pressure escape among those mass vaccinated with a leaky vaccine during a pandemic is going to increasingly impact the unvaccinated by exposing them to more infectious or virulent strains over time.  That it’s why the second wave tends to have more of an impact than the first wave.  I do consider the vaccinated to be more of a threat to me than I am to them, and especially if they were recently vaccinated.  I haven’t had occasion to put that concern into action.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 10:32am   (Reply to #5)

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    brushhog

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    I Don’t Trust the Vaccinated

SeanR, First of all I never implied that anyone was a coward or gullible or anything of the kind. Thats all in your mind. You invented that.

My question came as a logical response to DS’s sentiment that he felt compelled to take the jab and deeply regretted it;

My job causes me to deal with high level government officials in both the civilian side as well as the Military / FEMA / Homeland Security side. I was being ostracized way back in November / December for not getting the jab.

 

The long and the short of it is I cannot do anything about getting the J & J jab except supplementing my field with everything possible to fight off the toxic mistake I made

 

So my question was sincere and logical in the context of his post. I did not see his comment about not taking anymore jabs, so you are right about that, but dead wrong regarding my intent or implication.

 

 

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 11:38am

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    John Drake

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    I Don’t Trust the Vaccinated

DesertStorm, your posts may be the wake up call I needed.

I started out with the intention of being data focused but I see now that my biases have been growing stronger.  Like many on here I have got used to the idea of thinking the jab is evil, but I don’t know that is the case and there is evidence that it reduces hospitalisations and deaths. You may even be better off for having had it.

I am so used to following the ‘alternative’ narrative that I did not even pick up on the possibility of othering the vaccinated (I am however acutely aware of when the unvaccinated are talked about) in the video subtitle.

You sound like a very conscientious and kind person and the care you show to your friends is above and beyond. As you say we should love our neighbor as ourselves and from now on I will be trying to focus more of my energies on this line of thinking rather than obsessing about vaccine data.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 12:29pm   (Reply to #13)

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Hello, John Drake.

Could you please share the evidence you mentioned about the jabs reducing hospitalizations and deaths?  I’m well aware that line is a prime government and media talking point, but I’ve not seen any data that demonstrates it’s validity. If you have some I’d really like to see it.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 01:22pm

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    John Drake

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I was mainly thinking about the apparent reduction in numbers per 100,000 people show on the UK vaccine surveillance reports:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-surveillance-report

Also this site seems to take a close look at the Israel data and from what I saw seems to suggest they are effective:

https://www.covid-datascience.com/

Is any of this accurate?  I don’t know.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 02:33pm

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    Grover

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    Get The Balance Right

Desertstorm1991,

I’ve posted this before. It is important to balance zinc with copper.

Zinc needs to be balanced with copper at 10mg zinc to 1mg copper (10:1 ratio.) Here’s a snippet from the book, “Aging Without Growing Old” from Judy McFarland. It is set up like an encyclopedia. My wife swears by it! When I first mentioned the odd Covid-19 symptom of losing smell and taste, my wife said that’s a symptom of zinc deficiency and pulled out Judy’s book to show me.

Here is the book’s summary on zinc:

Sources: fresh oysters herring, wheat germ, pumpkin seeds, milk, steamed crab, lobster, chicken, pork chops, turkey, lean ground beef, liver, eggs.

What it does: promotes wound healing, helps with acne, affects impotence in men, and aids in increasing sperm count; helps infertility; may help with prostate problems; for increasing immunity; for colds and flu; prevents hair loss; may help with some forms of cancer; helps with macular degeneration.

Deficiency symptoms: fingernails with white spots or bands or an opaquely white appearance, loss of taste, smell, and appetite; delayed sexual development in adolescence; underdeveloped penis and less full beard and underarm hair in boys; irregular menstrual cycle in girls; infertility and impaired sexual function in adults; poor wound healing; loss of hair; increased susceptibility to infection; reduced salivation; skin lesions; stretch marks; reduced absorption of nutrients; impaired development of bones, muscles, and nervous system; deformed offspring; dwarfism.

Optimal daily amount: 30-50 mg (take with copper, a zinc:copper ratio of 10:1.) RDA is 15 mg.

And here’s why you need to balance zinc with copper:

https://www.thorne.com/take-5-daily/article/supplementing-with-zinc-and-copper-a-balancing-act

When supplementing any nutrient, it’s important to consider the appropriate amount to take. If intake is too low, then the desired results might not occur. If supplementation is too high, then negative side-effects could occur.

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The body uses copper in energy production and to support bone, skin, neurological, and cardiovascular health.* Along with zinc, copper is a component of superoxide dismutase, an important antioxidant enzyme utilized by the immune system.* Although copper deficiency is rare, it can result from high levels of zinc intake because of a decreased ability to absorb and use copper from the diet.2,5-13

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Additional studies indicate copper supplementation along with zinc helps balance absorption of both nutrients.14 Many alternative and integrative practitioners recommend a ratio of 15 mg of zinc to 1 mg of copper – similar to the ratio achieved if you remain within RDA guidelines.

Grover

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 02:52pm

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    Othering

I agree that we need to focus on the problem rather than the host. It isn’t the people who are to blame for trusting authorities and submitting to the jab. It’s too bad that authorities are using this to divide us. They do so in order to gain more power over us.

brushhog basically asked when enough is enough? (My interpretation.) The goal posts have been moved periodically from very early in the plandemic. Remember, at first it was 2 weeks of lockdown to defeat the virus??? Now, you have to get the jab to keep your job. They’ll soon be forcing it on 5-12 year-old children (at least one just got “approved” for children.) Where’s the science that shows this has a good benefit/risk and jabbing everyone is appropriate?

At some point, people will say, “enough is enough.” Those who were forced to get jabbed will get there quicker. Those who believe the authorities and chose to get jabbed will take longer to realize it. As long as the authorities can divide us and get us to blame the “others,” they continue their free ride to power.

Think about it,

Grover

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 03:25pm

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    I don’t trust (almost) anyone

DesertStorm – how long ago did you get the J&J and did you have any side effects in the immediate aftermath or are you thinking of potential long term side effects?

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 03:39pm   (Reply to #17)

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    Forming new coalitions rather than othering

With the vaccines’ protection fading and mandatory booster shots on the horizon, the vaccinated and unvaccinated will soon be in the same boat.  Now is the time to form new coalitions to fight mandatory vaccine passport laws and every other Great Reset scheme they have planned for us all.

Those of us who are considered by the state to be good little boys and girls for getting double vaxxed will soon be given a new task to prove our “social credit”.  When that happens we’re all back at square one together.  We need to be ready to form alliances when that inevitable time comes.

  • Thu, Oct 21, 2021 - 04:41pm

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    DesertStorm1991

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    I Don’t Trust the Vaccinated

The true danger is the Pro Vax drones that are still on autopilot. They will indeed kill those people off for the bottom line numbers. This whole thing is not about medicine or a vaccine what I took the only dose J & J did not qualify as a vaccine under the old FDA guidelines before they changed them.

To answer no more jabs even if I end up living in my car with my dogs.

if you have been jabbed you now have a new response. You must think of the possibility even if you take everything so you don’t die that there is more then that you are now a incidental spreader at any time as a asymptomatic carrier. There may be a permanent cure in the far future but I’ll be dead by then with most people living to 70.

this not directed not at you but the wild person post with all the cussing. I have the guns and I have all the ammo. I even have all the medical supplies including scalpels and sutures if needed and been trained. I have all the food a room stacked to the rafters. I have the fuel stored and Bigfoot S X S. All of that said I also have a responsibility as vaxed person to watch out for my non vaxed friends. It was my choice then it’s my choice now to protect the unvaxed. That to me is the most important the rest guns and etc is all just money.

 

 

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