Hydroxychloroquine vs The Globalist Deep State
The following interview, with multiple commentators involved, is very, very illustrative of the two points I am trying to make with this thread. Please, please listen in particular to lawyer Greg Rigano, who has been involved in the business of biopharma and with HQC in particular, during minutes 21:20 – 29:00 in the following video. Greg’s eyes are in the process of opening to the nefarious activity of the deepstate, which he calls, “politics” and, “economic conflicts of interest”. He is clearly pissed off and beyond frustration over what he sees happening in terms of efforts by the powers-that-be to hamstring hydroxychloroquine, by, for instance, only allowing it’s use for the worst off patients already on ventilators, where it is almost sure to fail. It must be given early to be a highly efficacious cure. I am not saying it’s perfect or that nobody will die.. but the benefit is very clearly dramatic.
A few quotes from Greg;
“I don’t know why this has not already been rolled out across the world, or why there is any debate about this”
Jim, here’s more fodder for your deep state concerns.
If you are looking for solutions to our current problem, you’d read this article and come away with the conclusion “Trump encourages bureaucrats to move faster.” If you are anti-Trump, you might conclude: Bad Orange Man is trying to kill us all with unproven medicine.
And Reuters is clearly coming down on view #2.
The thing is, having read the study by Didier Raoult, and the study from China that shows 4/31 in the control group moved into a severe state, while 0/31 in the HCQ group moved into a severe state, I mean – if I were positive, for damn sure I’d want to be in the HCQ group. A 13% chance of going into the ICU, vs a 0% chance?
Sure, its a small study, but – come on! Let’s not be stupid.
How many readers of this article have actually read the underlying studies? Two or three? (And of course, links to the studies aren’t provided in said article.)
And so, for some reason, Reuters comes down on the side of stupid. Its enough to make you wonder. What is really going on here? Is it the long arm of Gilead trying to hose the (nearly-free) competition? Or is it something else?
Someone is putting their finger on the scales here. Is it all about the 2020 election?
Thank you Dave! Let’s dig into the safety a little more – these drugs have been around a long time, and the safety profile is well known. Again, I have to point folks to a time segment of the previously linked (and again linked here) video where both Greg Rigano and Dr. Zelenko chime in regarding their view of the safety. Greg talks about a very large (750 woman) study of the safety of HQC for PREGNANT woman… that proved no problem Dr. Zelenko once again speaks plainly about the lack of problems with this drug regimen across hundreds of treated individuals in his experience of the last few weeks. These drugs are NOT SCARY. They are PROVEN SAFE. We are at war with this virus.. why would anyone exaggerate the dangers of a drug combination whose efficacy borders on a cure?
please listen to 26:50 – 29:00
I know a now-retired GP who has been both an allopathic and homeopathic practitioner. I asked him this question:
Let’s say that I contract the virus and end up in hospital or the like. In your experience, would I have the right to point to [Zelenko’s] regimen and ask to be treated the same way? Could I even demand it? Or outside the hospital to ask my GP to treat me like that, assuming he is able to prescribe the meds and follow up on results? For most of my life I have had precious little contact with the medical system, so my ignorance is extensive.
An interesting story! I’ve done a bit of reading and come up with this perspective, which seems reasonable:
As you know, there are many other relevant articles about.
I don’t have a position on treatment regimes based on hydroxychloroquine. I’ve been following P[rofesso]r Didier Raoult’s studies in Marseilles (my medical alma mater was Marseilles university…) – often criticised for lacking good scientific methodology – which helps to confuse matters.
I’m not saying this anti-malarial doesn’t work; I often prescribed it before resistance developed around the world. A variety of quinine-derived antimalarials are still being used – I was prescribing these just a few years ago.
Like many others I’m awaiting the results of larger scale rigorous clinical studies before being able to comment confidently.
Regarding your question, I think it’s important to know that there are established procedures most doctors will follow, when taking on the responsibility of helping a given individual, around the world. In particular it’s important to understand and take into account a person’s wishes. Then there is the obligation on the treating doctor, from ethical, legal and medical perspectives, to only use treatments that are supported by the best available evidence. Many treatments over the years, including for the treatment of viral illnesses, including other coronaviruses, in initial stages of experimentation/trials, could actually aggravate viral infections. So the need for prudence reigns I think.
In a given situation, I think it would be important for you to express your wishes clearly and expect a fair hearing from the the treating doctor. Then it becomes a negotiation between medical practitioner and “patient”, if the patient is in a fit state to engage in this discussion. There is always a degree of latitude – medicine is an art that uses scientific methods, in my opinion!
As we know, there is definitely such a thing as Medical Politics. I remain healthy for now.
The small study from China DaveF referenced above–
Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19: results of a randomized clinical trial
Zhaowei Chen, Jijia Hu, Zongwei Zhang, Shan Jiang, Shoumeng Han, Dandan Yan, Ruhong Zhuang, Ben Hu, Zhan Zhang
Study Design: 62 patients suffering from COVID-19 were diagnosed [how?] and admitted to Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University, randomized, with 31 patients were assigned to receive 5-day course of HCQ 400 mg/d.
The study monitored 3 parameters:
1) Time to clinical recovery (TTCR),
2) clinical course, and
3) changes in radiological images
which were assessed at baseline and after 5 days after treatment
Results: time to clinical recovery, the time to resolution of the fever and cough were significantly shortened in the HCQ treatment group.
Radiographic improvement in pneumonia was seen in (80%, 25 of 32) of the HCQ treated compared with (54%, 17 of 32) in the control group.
Notably, All 4 patients that progressed to severe illness were in the control group.
Two patients with mild adverse reactions in the HCQ treatment group.
Conclusion: the use of HCQ could significantly shorten time to clinical recovery and promote the radiographic resolution of pneumonia.
This guy is not me… but he feels just as I do. Says he will throw up if he hears Fauci talk down hydroxychloroquine one more time…
From today: “The US President Donald Trump requested Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to supply Hydroxychloroquine tablets to the United States, so that the drug can be used to treat COVID-19 patients.”
India has supply since they use it as an anti-malarial – but they had previously announced an export ban;
I just saw this headline from Business Insider;
I’m so sorry to have linked all of those videos that include actual, practicing medical doctors who are trying so hard to keep their patients alive, and finding good success using a regimen that includes hydroxychloroquine to do so. I thought that I might be right since the stuff has been proven to work in cell cultures, and of course there are multiple known chemical pathways by which it makes sense that it would work. But again, I must be wrong if Business Insider says there is, “no evidence it works”.. right? No media source would outright lie when lives are at stake, right? That just wouldn’t happen in America, right?
Wake up brothers and sisters… wake up.
I’ve been following Dr. Zelenko’s work for a few weeks. Thanks for posting the Saturday video interview with him.
His clinic has a Facebook Page with updates, more interviews, pdf’s of his protocol. I’m checking it daily. His Jewish community has shabbat on Saturday and some of Sunday. So they may not post again until Monday. Link to page:
A telemedicine firm is now working with Zelenko (just in the last week), to get his protocol out to wider circles. Two links. This one is specifically for the COVID-19 consult, $89.
And this is the telemedicine company itself, which offers generalized consults on home outpatient conditions. They’ve been operating over a decade.
Here was a recent CBS station story online, on the DocTalkGo company, in San Diego, from CBS Channel 8, March 26th
Extended interview with the DocTalkGo medical director, on their coronavirus support,
- Note he only mentions the hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, not the zinc component. Because earlier news reports of chloroquine trials were run without the zinc, I assume he just wanted to state the familiar; as covered on other media. And the CBS interview I believe occurred before the new collaboration with Zelenko. Since the company is now working directly with Zelenko, I assume they know the significant advantage of adding the zinc. And would include it in the prescription.
PLEASE do not make this medical discovery a polarized discussion about red / blue / deep state. I’d suggest Jim H editing the thread title if possible to something more balanced, such as: “updates on success of Dr. Zelenko’s coronavirus protocol”.
Fauci is not an evil man or tool of the “deep state”. He is just a research scientist who is accustomed to painstaking clinical trials. Just as the virus expert Chris interviewed today; same excessive caution. As Zelenko states in multiple interviews, these are wartime conditions and lives must be saved. As more doctors and countries see the success, the protocol will be accepted.
What is discouraging is that so many reports of the limited Chinese or French clinical success, are missing the essential elements of Zelenko’s approach: the three drugs with zinc being key; and beginning early and aggressively to allow the immune system to the get upper hand before overwhelmed. And before the patient develops ARDS and is put in hospital. Zelenko is so eloquent in describing his rational and balanced approach. Networking of his success is growing by the day, anything we can do to increase his visibility will pay off. But going into polarization will slow the progress.
You sound like a person with good intentions. I will say that I am not sure whether Fauci is a fully committed deep state player, or just a sorry dupe.. but either way he is pathetic and should not be trusted with our lives, and those of our loved ones. Dr. Zelenko, Yes. Dr. Fauci, No.
There is a war going on under the surface between good and evil, the deep state and forces of good. I will not back down from my stand against the deep state. It’s not about blue vs red… I tried to open this thread with that point.
Let’s start here to get to know Fauci better; https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/4379
From: Fauci, Anthony (NIH/NIAID) [E] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:10 PM To: Mills, Cheryl D Subject: Today’s performance Cheryl: Anyone who had any doubts about the Secretary’s stamina and capability following her illness had those doubts washed away by today’s performance before the Senate and the House. She faced extremely difficult circumstances at the Hearings and still she hit it right out of the park. Please tell her that we all love her and are very proud to know her. Warm regards, Tony Anthony S. Fauci, MD Director National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Building 31, Room 7A-03 31 Center Drive, MSC 2520
So here is Fauci fawning over Hillary Clinton’s defense of her (and Barack Obama’s) treasonous stand down order that insured several Americans would die at Bengazi. Fauci was so proud of her for being part of this debacle and defending her lies.
You say you don’t believe that there was a stand down order given during Bengazi? Allow me please to open your eyes through this interview by Dr. Dave Janda with the father of Ty Woods (killed Bengazi) and an ex-Military whistle blower who was watching the whole thing transpire from his Africom Air&Space drone base;