Hydro-electric plant 500KW FSBO…..

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  • Wed, Mar 19, 2014 - 08:15am

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    hydrodog

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    Hydro-electric plant 500KW FSBO…..

I'm will to talk to anyone who wants to do a hydro or solar….   pick the brain of someone who has done it….

That said … I no longer want to be in New England …. I've already started my relocation ….  but I have a house and this hydro plant to sell…. 

We built this plant and developed our property with the idea hard times were coming … but even though I'm in a good position ….I want a warmer climate and don't want to be to old to get another enterprise going in my new location… 

So here's an opportunity for the right person….   Plant  capacity is 500KW-HRS a year….   I'm selling for the price of a new turbine and generator today.   Over 1,750,000 KW-HRS and over $185K for 2013.   Price of electric power is increasing … so revenues should grow… and you can alway have a good water year.

You get an operating plant that would cost about 3 million to build today…if you could get the approvals…. It includes :  the property … a 45' dropping series of waterfalls … the dam… civil works…. the equipment … all contracts …license to operate…. a turnkey operation …

I will be available for 30 days after the closing to assist/train the new owners free of charge.  

 

 

 

  • Wed, Mar 19, 2014 - 12:43pm

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    MyBackAchers

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    Details?

Humm, that sounds interesting except my 400 watt wind generator can produce 1,000 Kw in a year. 

You are correct in that hard times are coming and for several reasons -economic cliff edge, energy decline starts in a few years if not sooner and then there are all the unforeseen problems of weather and such. 

But, since you are interested in a move to a warmer climate, feel free to post pictures and details of the property.

  • Wed, Mar 19, 2014 - 01:19pm

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    Chris Martenson

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    Where is it located?

I agree some more details would be helpful…I'm not sure I followed your calculations…did you write that you produced 1.75 Gwhrs in 2013 and sold that wholesale to the grid for $185k?

Next, where is this located?  If that's too specific for you, what's the nearest large city/town and how far away is it?

Third, does the property include living quarters?  How much land?  Any of it arable?  

  • Thu, Mar 20, 2014 - 12:25pm

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    MyBackAchers

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    HydroDog

I certainly understand the frustration of getting ready for whatever comes next in that nothing is as it was planned.

i bought this little parcel in 2007 and 7 years later I am still trying to figure out how to make it produce enough food to sell and enough energy to get through the roughest of times gracefully. 

But that's what this website is for-to keep learning and sharing then to put it into practice. 

The struggle against the weather, the economy and other peoples denial of the present situation can and will discourage everyone here at one time or another.

  • Thu, Mar 20, 2014 - 05:14pm

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    Hydro FSBO

Chris and others … Plant is located about 50 miles north of Bernardston, Ma….

1 1/4 acre of land …. room to park a travel trailer but property is mostly pond and gorge…. property has been landscaped but no land for crops….   No house …. no septic…..

My contract is to sell energy … and green credits…. that is why I made good with the plant last year ….. With the price of natural gas going up … my revenues will increase ….  51% of all electricity in NE is now made from Natural Gas….   You are smart people figure it out ….

I built this plant for hard times …. we also have a home seperate …with fruit trees and gardens….enough wood  on proprety for heat … 6 acres …

Will be selling both home and plant … seperately or together ….   FSBO….

If anyone wants more info …. my email is …. [email protected]

  • Mon, Apr 21, 2014 - 09:30am

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    Contract for sale almost in place ….

My buyer is a site member and has committed to a purchase …. I will still answer questions if contacted ….

This plant makes … depending on weather …the heat equivalent( BTU's) of  approximately 50,000 gals of diesel fuel oil.a year.

I reread my original post … got a typo or two … but I'm sure most can see the error.

  • Mon, Apr 21, 2014 - 11:20am

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    Panels …solar PV at higher latitudes…

I'm at about 43 degrees latitude … my panels are well worth it … A DIY installation where the solar installers don't skim all the cream and alot of the milk is the way to go….

If you size the system right never need a back up generator….    And even if BC has lots of hydro power its always good to have your own …   there is always going to be local outages at some point …   Cost of electric power is on the rise everywhere…    In ten years an installation will more than pay for itself at present rates …. even without any type of green credit….  all the sooner with free government money.

  • Mon, Apr 28, 2014 - 02:17am

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    MyBackAchers

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    Solar up north

I, for one, saw how amazing solar can work up north because if the panels are placed right, the snow bounces the light for 2-5 times more solar gain.  Most people think solar in the north is a pipe dream, but like I said, if the panels catch sun bouncing off the snow it can be  very worth it.

  • Mon, Apr 28, 2014 - 03:29am

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    Solar Up North

I agree with MyBackAchers, solar up north can work. March is actually a great month for solar up here as the days are getting longer and the snow reflects the sun.  We don't much care about the length of time for the return on an investment in solar.  The question is does it make sense, and would we rather be at the mercy of someone else for our power or rely on ourselves and our investment.

AK Granny

 

  • Wed, May 07, 2014 - 06:49am

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    Re: Solar up north

No, you don't get 2-5 times more solar due to bounce on snow.

I live up north (Sweden) and use solar panels so I have studied the problem a bit and have some practical experience, including what effect snow has. 

Looking at it from a theoretical point of view and assuming flat land the best teoretical bounce assuming 100% reflection (a perfect mirror) would give you 2 times the energy hitting the solar panel.

Assuming you have your solar panel at an angle towards the sun the reflection will come in from a less favorable angle, so this will reduce the efficiency of the bounce a bit.

All in all it will be great if you get 50% extra efficiency from the bounced light, so 1.5 times will be in the realistic range.

To get any higher you would need to have the landscape buildt closer to a parabolic shape to concentrate solar rays better.

 

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