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  • Fri, Aug 30, 2019 - 06:40am


    Dave O

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    Hurricane Prep for a PP member…

Hello to all my PP friends,

I just wanted to say thank you to this community.

I do not post or comment often, but I am in the final stages of buttoning up the house I am renting.  This is only a temporary residence.  However, preparing for a serious storm is so much easier mentally, physically and emotionally for me than it is for many of my neighbors.  I believe that much of this is due to years of processing the 3E’s and the challenges I see in the future.

With the small blessings of a deep pantry, water backups (stored water, 2 types of filtration, rainwater collection and a canal behind the house), a few solar items, and my cycling/camping gear, there is nothing that I need to purchase to be ready.

My small tasks are now pulling the coconuts off the trees to prevent nature’s cannon balls, cutting the moringa back, filling water jugs and finding games and activities for my sons.  🙂

I will not be in the store lines or in fist (or gun) fights over fuel.  There is no anxiety or worry, just a sense of waiting and helping my neighbors with last few days of physical labor.

Sending love.  If anyone is in S FL (Plantation/Sunrise/Ft Lauderdale areas) and needs help with last minutes items, feel free to PM me.



  • Fri, Aug 30, 2019 - 06:53am


    Chris Martenson

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    Re: Hurricane Prep for a PP member…

I love hearing this!

A few final nips and tucks.  A sense of calm rather than urgent, scattered efforts.

It speaks mostly to the value of the emotional preparation, being ready, already having seen the coming changes and processed them so that a clear-eyed approach can be maintained.


  • Fri, Aug 30, 2019 - 09:12am



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    Mutual aid among PPers (Especially New England and New York)

I just this morning emailed my best friend from high school who lives in Melbourne, FL which is close to the center of the projected cone of Dorian. I’ve previously invited him to come visit us in our new place in NH but today I reiterated the invitation. I advised him to get all of the decorations and “nature’s cannon balls” out of his yard and fly to Boston and stay with us until the hurricane passes. Radio silence so far. He’s not much for travel, having seen as much of the world in the 82nd Airborne as he ever cares to see. He also thinks FL has the world’s best weather, so he’s resistant to admitting otherwise.

I think it would be a tremendous idea for us PPers to make mutual aid agreements amongst ourselves on a regional basis for bugging out and other kinds of aid. Hurricanes are a good example. If there were a hurricane projected to hit New England hard, my wife and I could be a good location for those of you on the coast to bug out to for two to five days. Arrangements could be made on the spur of the moment but it would be better if we had agreements in advance along with supplies and equipment pre-positioned at or near our home. Likewise, we ourselves might need a temporary bug out location with a guaranteed open door and friendly faces if Seabrook Nuclear Power Station melted down.

Sand_puppy and I are in the earliest stages of talking about these mutual aid agreements since he is moving to coastal New England this week. Do any of you in New England or New York want to join in on these discussions with us? Send me a private message or respond here. As we get further along, a face to face meeting would probably be the thing to do.


  • Fri, Aug 30, 2019 - 09:21am


    Chris Martenson

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    Dorian Update…and some tips

Well, it’s a major hurricane for sure.  Will it be a 3 or a 4?  Maybe even a 5?

Whichever designation it’s very big.

For now it’s landing north of one of the most heavily built up, low lying coastlines in America.

Now compare that “Okeechobee landing” with this satellite view to note the build up of the coastline:

As you can see, every mile farther south that Dorian hits makes it that much more expensive and possibly deadly.

The only extra steps I would take for myself in the path of a hurricane would be to fill up my bathtub(s) with water, along with any other containers I might have.  In my case, this is a bunch of dedicated 5 gallon, food grade, spouted and capped containers.

Next, I would fill up any extra food storage containers, empty plastic milk cartons, what-have-you, with water and freeze them in my freezer.  As many as I have or would fit.  That way I’d have block ice to keep my food fresh in my cooler.

  • Fri, Aug 30, 2019 - 09:33am   (Reply to #2)


    Dave O

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    re: Re: Hurricane Prep for a PP member…


I  am extremely grateful for the work that  you and your team perform!  Most of my resilience is due to modelling you and the other members here.

I am happy to report back that you are making a difference and winning people over one by one, and people like me are supporting those efforts in tiny local ways.  For example, I started gardening in NJ and eventually landed in a permaculture community in FL because of the work of PP.

After Irma, I was without power for 2 week, and it was no big deal.  I was fortunate to be in a position to assist my neighbors, several of which were in their 70s and 80s and did not have much support.

[edit: Freezing water containers is a great idea!  I have about 60 recycled 64 oz juice containers that get filled and frozen and stocked in the freezer and refrigerator of the two units in the house.]


Great idea!  Love it.


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  • Sat, Aug 31, 2019 - 06:03am


    Chris Martenson

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    Dorian's Storm Track Changed A lot Overnight

Florida looks to be (somewhat) spared.

No direct hit at least.

However, it’s a gigantic storm and so that raking of the coast is sure to produce flood and wave damage.

South Carolina is now in the crosshairs.

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    Do We Need Cat 6?

With these storms having the force of E4/E4 tornadoes, only for 48 hours, it seems fair that cat 6 is soon to be added.

Below from Woods Hole Oceanographic:

Are hurricanes getting worse because of climate change?

Since the 1970s the number of Category 4 and 5 storms has roughly doubled, and studies indicate that hurricanes seem to gain strength more quickly than they did 25 years ago. Recent hurricanes in the North Atlantic Ocean have broken records for intensity and duration. But the mechanisms driving hurricanes are complicated, and more research is needed to fully understand them.

A few trends are clear. For example, scientists know that climate change is warming the surface of the oceans, especially in the North Atlantic, and warm water fuels hurricanes. Increased evaporation and water vapor from a warming ocean means hurricanes produce more rain. Sea level rise will exacerbate the effects of coastal storm surges triggered by hurricanes. What remains less well understood is whether climate change will increase the temperature of deeper ocean waters, which would sustain the warmth of surface waters and fuel more—and more powerful—hurricanes.

Climate change is also altering global air circulation patterns, which can affect hurricanes. As the Arctic region warms, the temperature difference between the poles decreases. This weakens the Jet Stream, the west-to-east winds that circumnavigate temperate regions of the Earth and usually propel hurricanes out to sea. Climate change also creates the conditions for meandering, eddy-like offshoot winds—the atmospheric equivalent of whirlpools alongside a boat’s wake. Those meandering eddies act like bumpers in a ping-pong game that keep a ball in play. Consequently, some storms such as 2012’s hurricane Sandy, which typically would have headed out to sea after making landfall, tend to linger on land and cause more damage.

  • Sat, Sep 07, 2019 - 07:37am

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    Reply To: Hurricane Prep for a PP member…

Donald Trump by all means want us to acknowledge that he was not wrong about Alabama

Donald Trump slammed the media and its partner the democrats for making controversy over the altered map and the statement that Trump made about Alabama that it might be impacted by the Dorian. Day earlier Donald Trump also called Fox news reporter to convince him that he was not wrong about his tweet.

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