How to talk to vaccinated people
Not, forget it, forgive him, take your loss (for now).
Most people learn through pain, some through insight: kensho versus satori.
What is the difference between Kensho and Satori?
In short, Kensho are moments in which you experience temporary pain that drives personal growth.
Examples of Kensho moments include break-ups, the death of a loved one, losing a job, failing at something. All those are components of life that we all, like it or not, must experience before we can achieve success.
A Kensho moment is the universe’s way of telling you that hey, maybe you’re just not on the right path. You’ve been sidetracked, distracted by something that isn’t meant for you, and it’s time to recalibrate and put yourself back on the path of personal growth.
On the other hand, Satori are also moments that trigger personal growth, but they pop up through a sudden spark of insight. Satori moments are what most call the moments of enlightenment.
These Satori moments happen at random.
You could be doing anything, from meditating to cooking to going on your daily run at the beach. It’s that sudden wave of inspiration that hits you — as a writer, I like to compare it to that feeling you get when your mind suddenly comes up with a scene or dialogue that you’ve been searching for to fill that gap in your novel.
I have given up. They made their choice. It should be over for them. If they keep pushing you and others, they are obviously too far gone to explain your point of view.
It’s the same as Bad Orange Man syndrome. My parents keep talking about Trump, how he did this, what he just said, how he’s gonna go to jail. Blah, blah blah.
I’m no DJT fanboy, but it’s more nuanced than the TDS people make the world out to be. When I attempt to explain to my folks that all politicians are crooks and liars and that what NBC is telling them is just a single spin and they need to get DJT out of their heads because he is currently living there rent free, I receive this reply:
“I don’t want to talk about politics.”
As if I brought it up or even believe they could possibly understand the shades of political grey.
And it’s not just them or TDS. I know quite a few people who range from a house painter to a Stanford graduate with a Masters in robotics engineering that just can’t see the world in anything but black and white. Red or blue. Jabbed or dirty heathen.
Most folks who are pushing others for the jab are so indoctrinated that they need to be kidnapped to a remote cabin and deprogrammed. And I still give that only a 50/50 chance.
So ignore them. To quote Paul:
We used to say live and let live.
But if this ever changing world in which we live in makes you give in and cry, say live and let die.
Hey can we develop our own unvaxed blood donor group? That way if someone in our area needs unvaxed blood we can donate for them if we are a type that can! I will admit mine has natural covid antibodies in it.
I wouldnt be having that conversation to begin with anymore but if I did, I would ask him for links and data to back up his assertion. I would say that I dont think he understands how mutations happen or how this vaccine works [ in fact nobody does ], so please provide me with the source of this information and I’ll check it out…if Im wrong I’ll go out and get vaxxed.
At the very least, that should keep him busy for a while, and who knows…he might actually learn something.
Is the bad reaction due to the mRNA producers can not control how much spike protein a person’s body produces how quickly and keep it at a safe level? Once the “vaccine” is in us, our body determines how fast it is produced. The manufacturers can not keep it at a safe level even if they knew what that level would be.
Thanks for the detailed reply. Just now remembering that I had asked about this the other day.
Over the past year, we used the CDC excess deaths data as a hopefully better insight into the deadliness of c19. Looking now, the morgues full of dead people dont seem to be translating into a meaningful signal.
I know DF will probably say that this is an oligarchy controlled statistic.
The speculation is heavy on what IS coming. But based on what we’ve seen so far from all sides of the vaccine, there is a wave of death coming for them and they are blinded by misinformation about what is in store.
I do agree, the level of speculation is very high and you seem to understand that it isnt happening at scale (at least yet). The remainder of the list were quite a few different hypothesis and projections of what it ‘might’ mean in the future.
It appears that the Delta will be ripping thru the country between September and Spring as the weather cools. Media and Govt will express that it is the un-vaccinated getting sick and dying. PP members will be insisting that it is vaccinated people dying and everything is a coverup.
How will we determine which is true?
I’ve been thinking of where in this forum I can ask about community support for our current situation. Perhaps this thread is a good start, because I too would like to have discussions on how to talk with loved ones.
I’m unvaxxed, but most everyone around me has had the jab. There are obviously many things to be worried about here, but my main concerns right now are ADE, blood clots and variant escape. I’m doing my best to remain calm and rational in this confusing mess, but I need to talk to someone. I can’t speak to my therapist about this for obvious reasons, and there is no one around me that would be willing to hear me out. Is there a place where we can find emotional support from others that are concerned? I would like to be realistic, but also would like to see some optimism and hope. For example- it gives me hope that I am seeing so many whistleblowers coming out and there has been a worldwide effort to have discussions and debate. I don’t know if it would be appropriate, but perhaps we can start a thread for this specific reason. I would imagine I’m not the only one here that is struggling with high anxiety.
Reply to #26.
Nobody is denying that the Sars-Cov2 virus is dangerous. It is also clear that a lot of people died of (or with) Covid-19. Hence the excess deaths on your graph.
What is being overlooked, ignored or willfully suppressed, is that the people who died were almost all told “No Treatment for You” and sent home until they were sick enough to be admitted to the ICU.
If they had been told at the outset of the ‘plandemic’ that they could protect themselves by taking Vitamin D, many would not have become sick at all. If, at the onset of symptoms, they had been treated with Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin hundreds of thousands of deaths might have been prevented.
Just looking at excess deaths and assuming that they were inevitable is naive. Assuming we are under terrorist attack by Fauci and Big Pharma is much more logical.
Here’s how not to talk to the vaxxed:
– “Are you crazy? Why the f*#! would you put an untested substance in your body?”
– “You’re just a sheep being led to slaughter by the global elites.”
– “Tsk, tsk: you’re so blind to what’s really happening. Take the red pill and get out of The Matrix.”
People [including me] don’t respond well when their belief systems are attacked, even if the information is 100% correct. When someone screams at you, it’s tough to avoid screaming back.
I’ve had 5 conversations recently.
– 1 never got off the ground as my friend wasn’t open to hearing what I had to say.
– 2 were receptive and I sent them IV info
– 2 followed the MSM line. One was open to the possibility that IV worked but wouldn’t go any further until the FDA approved it. I pointed out that India was crushing their death rate with IV [at least, that’s what appears to be happening] but he wasn’t convinced.
One sent me a Yahoo article full of red flags and anti-conspiracy theories but very little medical data. I replied with the FLCCC website and a few key blurbs [I’m reading https://flccc.net/flccc-ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-covid-19/ and saw a very important point that escaped me before:
“Likely the most definitive evidence supporting the efficacy of ivermectin as a prophylaxis agent was published recently in the International Journal of Anti-Microbial agents where a group of researchers analyzed data using the prophylactic chemotherapy databank administered by the WHO along with case counts obtained by Worldometers, a public data aggregation site used by among others, the Johns Hopkins University (Hellwig and Maia, 2020). When they compared the data from countries with active ivermectin mass drug administration programs for the prevention of parasite infections, they discovered that the COVID-19 case counts were significantly lower in the countries with recently active programs, to a high degree of statistical significance, p<.001.”
Only by being low-key and concentrating on the data [which Martenson keeps mentioning and I strongly agree] will I have any hope of convincing anyone. It’s well-observed in Psychology that once I buy into an argument, I have something invested and changing my mind will become more difficult. A vaxxed has “bought into” the vaccine argument and will feel threatened by information that suggests there are better alternatives. No different than trying to convince someone of anything that contradicts his current beliefs.