How to talk to vaccinated people

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  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 12:19pm

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    brushhog

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We’ve all heard it before but “Its easier to fool a man than to convince him he;s been fooled”.

Once vaccinated, a person is more likely to become outwardly more strident in their pro-vaxx views. Now its personal,  to admit the vax was a mistake means personal consequences and nobody wants to deal with that. Its a much more attractive proposition to dismiss the warnings as ‘conspiracy theory’, ‘misinformation’, and etc.

[ And, of course, if there are doubts deep down, a person would much prefer if everybody made the same mistake that he made. ]

For these reasons, I will never have that conversation with a person who’s been vaccinated. There’s no point anyway, as the damage has already been done.

A good friend of mine came up to visit me last week. Great guy. In the course of conversation it came up that he was vaccinated, and that I wasnt. We avoided the debate. I made a joke about him being a GMO. He admitted that he thought this was the beginning of a role out for something deeper. I didnt pursue the point, just shrugged and changed the subject.

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 02:15pm

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    How to talk to vaccinated people

If the opportunity arises I suggest that the vaccinated person have a Plan B in case they come down with Covid anyway.  Then I can mention IVM.  But most of the time I don’t say anything in particular because there doesn’t appear to be any point to it.  Too busy praying they don’t tell me they had their kids jabbed too.

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 02:24pm

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I’m currently seeing how far I can push my luck on FaceBook.  I have family and friends all over the world and a four-year-old son.  FB is how I let all those people take part in his growing up.  It’s sort of useless for anything else IMO.  If I get banned by FB I guess I can always get an Instagram feed for pics and video of the boy.

Anyway, on FB for about a week now I have been “talking” to the vaccinated (and hopefully offering comfort to holdouts like me) by posting graphs and links about the vax.  I don’t argue, I don’t give my opinion on what deleterious things are going to happen to the vaxxed, I focus with laserlike intensity on the fact that the vaccine doesn’t work.  I try to get the points across (1) it doesn’t prevent infection, and (2) you can’t vaccinate your way out from under a pandemic and (3) coronaviruses mutate too quickly for a vaccination program to ever catch up and (4) I try to teach about the difference between a sterilising vaccine and a leaky vaccine.  And now that I think of it, I also introduce the idea that therapeutics (IVM, Fluvoxamine, et alia) would probably make the vaccine irrelevant….if TPTB would only allow their use.

I bring charts and graphs, preferably government statistics, but respected medical institutions too (this week I’ve cited Harvard Medical School and Johns Hopkins’ stats).  I never offer opinion or speculation.  I want what I put up to be the immovable object.  When my FB “friends” attack me, or scoff at the data, or make appeals to emotion (there are evidently some little kids in Missouri very sick with COVID) or appeals to authority (an ER nurse basically told me “how dare you!” because she has seen so much suffering up close) — when they get all riled up I just guide them gently back to the facts.

I stay friendly, I stress that I’m seeking information and understanding (not trying to proselytize against the vax) and ask them to counter what I’m presenting if they can.

Generally, after appeals to emotion and various other rhetorical blunders, they devolve back into “Just get the vax.”  That becomes their whole argument.  Not very convincing.  I haven’t changed any minds (that I know of) but perhaps onlookers who aren’t commenting who are vaccine holdouts have their resolve strengthened.  That would be enough for me.  As we now suspect pretty strongly, to get the vax is potentially a fatal mistake.

So, that’s what I’m up to.  It makes my gut churn to see intelligent and well-educated people with greater critical thinking skills than I typing “Just get the vax.”  But such is the insane world in which we now live.

VIVA — Sager

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 03:03pm

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    davefairtex

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    intelligence vs social instincts

So some of my friends are very social creatures.  They love groups, doing group things, etc.  Me – I’m…just … less of a group person.

I think this immunizes me from group social pressure.  Since I don’t feel the need to fit in – I don’t have that extra “you must comply to get along or else be ostracized” pressure that my more social friends feel.

I make my decisions on my own.  And I do tend to be a little bit…suspicious, just on general principles.  And at this point, all the games they are playing have me on full alert.  Giving the shot to babies?  Who have no risk?  Our “medical structure” (i.e. Pope Fauci) is engaging in an act of bioterrorism combined with child abuse.  There is no benefit, only risk, for our babies.  This tells me all I need to know.  He has some motivation other than “the health of his targets” in mind.

Right.  So since I’m not a big group person (although I’m perfectly happy being social), I don’t feel the need to follow the herd, really at all.  But I’m unusual.

This isn’t about intelligence.  It’s about that “social belonging” thing.  “It is safer being with the group.”  Which throughout history has probably been true, it is not true at this moment.

My guess is, no mass death from the shot.

Instead: I am guessing they will cause immune disfunction, long term damage, and shorten lifespan.  Concept: a few years from now, having been “vaccinated” with the experimental shot could well be a pre-existing condition for your insurance company.

“Long VAX syndrome” will be a great money-making opportunity for our friends in Pharma.  “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

I think we’ll also find less expensive ways to fix things too.  It will just take time.  I certainly want to help.  I’m not going to write anyone off.  They’re all still my friends.

That’s just my current perspective.

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 03:44pm

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Perhaps I should be more forward, talking to the vaccinated pair in my small circle.

I get plenty of opportunity to talk with one – I started him with ” we’re not getting the whole story”, and 3 weeks later we’re swapping bits and bobs of news.  2 months down the line, I’ve emailed him with a bit about saline/ faux-vax under the heading “Controversial stuff – read it when you’re in the mood for it”, and he posted back some stuff about the nasal vaccine from Spain.

So you can see it’s not instant conversion.  It’s all to do with sowing the seed of doubt.

The other guy I get no chance to talk.  He had a bad reaction to the jab and hasn’t been civil to me since.

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 06:39pm   (Reply to #7)

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    How to talk to vaccinated people

Excellent video. I was interested in the “tip” from Saul Alinski. He was certainly a genius in his field. His methods work. Exaggerated talk is obvious. It turns me off, too. Just a few softly spoken pieces of known truth.

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2021 - 07:29pm

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    How to talk to vaccinated people

Next thing you will hear is that Pfizer and Moderna will have a cure for prion disease, and be able to push that cure out across the world population….

And that cure will have another side effect which they can have a solution for … and the money keeps rolling in!  No accountability, doesn’t matter if things don’t work out as they get paid regardless…

Maybe I am a bit cynical…

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 03:06pm   (Reply to #6)

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    Mark Janney

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    How to talk to vaccinated people

I am not doubting your claims, but when I talk to other people about this I would like to have some source material to point to.   Can you provide references to your sources regarding the differences between the spike protein produced by the virus itself and those produced by the mRNA serum?  Thanks!

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 05:06pm

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    How to talk to vaccinated people

A low information/high conviction friend (who is pissed about my non-vaxxed status) posted this on FB today:

Elementary explanation:
I am vaccinated
I come in contact with Delta variant
I catch a cold
I don’t replicate the virus though
The virus dies after a few days
In the days when the virus isn’t dead yet, I come in contact with you and transmit the virus to you
If you are vaccinated
You dont replicate the virus
The virus, which lives for a few days, dies permanently
If you are not vaccinated
The virus is multiplying
Replicating can mutate
The mutation is random
One of these mutations can produce a vaccine resistant antibody-resistant variant
Conclusion:
If we’re all vaccinated, we don’t replicate the virus, the virus can’t mutate, and it disappears after a while.
If many aren’t vaccinated the virus replicates, then mutates, therefore the risk of a ′′ bad ′′ variant

Where do you even begin in trying to speak to someone like this on the topic of the “vaccine”?  In my experience, you don’t.

  • Wed, Jul 21, 2021 - 06:02pm

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    I only see two options, Debu —

1.  Either you write them off and minimize contact until this is over, one way or another (or until the ADEs get so pervasive they are shocked into understanding), or

2.  You fully arm yourself with facts and links to science and studies and wade into battle.  A conversation around this could take hours and still end up futile (or be ended at any moment the facts get too uncomfortable for them to countenance).

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