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How to Profit from the US Escalating an Existing or Launching a New War

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  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 05:51am

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    YoungEntrepreneur

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    How to Profit from the US Escalating an Existing or Launching a New War

If you knew the US was definitely planning to expand the scope of current military actions or launch new ones how would you best position yourself to profit from it?

How would you best insulate yourself from the multiple negative consequences likely to impact average American citizens as a result of entering into such an engagement given our present state of economic affairs?

Would be great to get some interesting and insightful community comments on this. I’ll elaborate and post my thoughts on this later. 

Thanks in advance.

YE 

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 08:57am

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    Probably not the best way to look at that outcome

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If you knew the US was definitely planning to expand the scope of current military actions or launch new ones how would you best position yourself to profit from it? [/quote]

I’d say that’s not the sensible question to ask.  There’s the questionable moral aspect to the question of course, but even should one decide to disregard that there is also a matter of long-term self-interest.  Quite simply, we are at such a critical point in resource depletion and availability that ANY prolonged large scale war will likely inflict serious damage throughout the globe from destruction of resources and disruption in production.  War is inherently destructive in nature and uses up resources and potentially damages others, and with the supply in many resources just barely meeting the current demand most of the globe will experience major long-term hurt as resources are depleted faster and distribution is disrupted.  Long term I don’t think anyone will truly end up ‘ahead’ compared to their present circumstances.

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How would you best insulate yourself from the multiple negative consequences likely to impact average American citizens as a result of entering into such an engagement given our present state of economic affairs? [/quote]

IMO this is the better question to ask.  There will likely be no true winners, but you may be able to at least minimize the impact.

The best ways I can think of would be to not live in any country that is a participant in said war, or if that is not possible then at least have your savings and major income streams originating outside of said countries’ financial systems.  Even if physical risk is not involved (a war taking place overseas for example), war typically involves either high inflation or periods of austerity or both.  Most of the previous 9+ years in the US didn’t experience a great degree of either, but that was simply because the nation put it all on its credit card and got to put off the pain until later.  I find it unlikely the US will be able to do so that easily for much longer, so I’d expect the pain (probably in the form of even higher price inflation) to be suffered shortly after any such war started.  Another good measure would be to keep your living situation flexible and have a plan to leave the country in question if the situation called for it. 

Most other preparations or positioning for such an event would fall in line with general preparedness things that most of us are moving towards anyway.  Better (or less worse?) case I could see the prices for critical goods like energy and food going up but with same availability, and in a worse case I’d expect rationing of some things or perhaps no availability at all for a few things.  Either way most general preparedness measures would help.

– Nickbert

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 02:36pm

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    If you knew the US was

If you knew the US was definitely planning to expand the scope of current military actions or launch new ones how would you best position yourself to profit from it?

Invest in copper. You can’t fight a modern war without it and there are going to be plenty of wars.

 

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 02:49pm

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    Response to Johnny…

Thank you Johnny.

Yes, several commodities on my radar. Copper definitely being among them.

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 03:14pm

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    In reply to Nickbert…

The moral aspect of such a war declaration is irrelevant for the pruposes of this discussion. Although I do not wish for war I have no say or influence on whether it happens or not. The reality is, after money printing, that is what the US does best.

We are actively engaged in three fairly large scale conflicts in Irag, Afghanistan and Libya (even though the media and gov’t refuse to acknowledge Libya as a War) not to mention several covert and limited scope operations throughout other areas within the region and across the rest of the world.

It’s naive to argue all the reasons why we should not go to war. Although the points have merit and are true, the powers that be benefit and profit immensely from war and have created a militiary/industirlal complex, war machine and economy designed to launch it.

I’d rather not focuses on "should bes", utopian beliefs and fantasies but rather deal with reality and economic predictions, prep strategies and tactics designed around these realities, no matter how flawed, evil and corrupt the war mongering may be.

The question is not whether war is good for you, me or the country. That never is the question. That never prevents it from taking place and the powers that be are very good at deceiving, manipulating and influencing the general public.

The question is how and when will it happen and what can one do (especially for those out of the loop) to profit from such actions and protect yourself from the negative consequences. Straight and simple.

I agree about not living in or having too much of your life plans dependent on or financial resources residing in such a war-mongering nation. Exploring international living is very prudent.  

Yes, most general prep measures discussed on these forums apply.

Thank for the post, appreciate the input.

YE

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 03:19pm

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    Invest in local resilience

 The best thing you can do is invest in yourself, practical physical things around you, local ecomonies, and local community. If you think you are going to make virtual wealth off things you are not in possesion of, with the future we are facing, you are just fooling yourself. We do not need investment in the status quo, we need investment locally.

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 03:32pm

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    littlefeatfan

Agree to an extent. Definitely in investing in yourself and practical physcial things.

Your local economy however and community could be tremendously affected by such events. This may happen so often and to such a degree that often times it is better to opt out of existing in a local situation that is constantly going to be battered by decisions and proclamations completely out of your control.

Irregardless, just like there are good prep tactics to help protect you from the negative effects of such developments there are also proactive investment strategies that will help you proft from it.

I also believe that when the local picture is corrupted, signficantly tarnished and stacked against you international investment should be explored. Think outside the box. Not all solutions and best case scenarios ly within your local community and gov’t.

 

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 04:38pm

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    you may want to reconsider

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The moral aspect of such a war declaration is irrelevant for the pruposes of this discussion. Although I do not wish for war I have no say or influence on whether it happens or not. The reality is, after money printing, that is what the US does best.

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Actually, YE, we all have a say and influence on whether it happens or not.  When our personal behavior is such that it supports an intention to profit from such an event, we are, either directly or indirectly, complicit in its occurence.  When we oppose such profiteering in our thoughts and subsequent actions, we do just that little bit to prevent it.  There are enough areas to profit from where I would not want to even consider such a profit path.  Why not look at a positive path to profit rather than a negative one.  When you adopt an attitude of intentionally profiting from the purposeful creation of pain and suffering, you start a slide down a slippery slope that will eventually take you where you really don’t want to go.  I think you’re better than that … and if not, it may be time for some serious introspection.  You seem like you have a lot of energy and potentially fruitful ideas.  You can do a lot and go far without venturing into the dark side.

This talk may be worth a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RskzYHPlh5U

You don’t want to become known as someone who has accumulated their fortune on the backs of others or by creating or supporting the misfortune of others.  When societal acrimony rises to the point where recrimination and revenge come into play, you may find yourself in an exceedingly uncomfortable position from which there may not be any retreat nor escape.  I wouldn’t go there personally but YMMV. 

   

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 05:32pm

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    My point is more about expectations than morality

YE-

I’m not really arguing the morality of waging the war…. like yourself said, IMO regular people like us have practically no say in whether we engage in another war, and the power players will ultimately do what they want regardless of what you and I want.  We may be able to affect the direction and continuation of the war after that, but that’s a subject for a different thread.  I’m not even arguing the morality of finding ways to profit from a new war, though IMO it’s something each person should take time to consider.  I’m simply saying your first question is the wrong way to think about it because there is likely no way to improve one’s long term fortunes from such an event, except for maybe the most connected and powerful people (and maybe not even for them in the long term).  For example you may invest in copper as JO says and make a good chunk of money there, but any wealth or increase in your standard of living that may come from that would eventually (possibly immediately) be offset by loss of purchasing power, increased taxation to fund the war effort, and shortages of basic goods and resources that make maintaining your standard of living impossible.  So what I’m saying is using the word "profit" implies a turnout (getting ahead) that is likely impossible in all but the very short term, and maybe not even that.

Now since the actions one might take to protect themselves financially in such a situation would be the same actions one might take to try to "profit" from it, it may sound like I’m arguing semantics.  But what I’m trying to get at is the term profit carries with it an expectation of future gain or prosperity, and holding onto an expectation that is unrealistic will only end up producing negative feelings, resentment, and possibly bad decision-making when our expectations fail to be realized.  How many people are we seeing nowadays chasing expectations that will likely not be realized (a near term housing rebound for example), and suffering stress and making bad decisions as a result?  By approaching it purely from the sense of minimizing impact or loss, your expectations will be much more in line with probable outcomes and you won’t fall into the trap.  And if in the unlikely event you just so happen to truly come out ahead in the long term, you haven’t lost anything by having your expectations exceeded.  FYI this is how I approach my holdings of gold & silver; I don’t expect to get rich, only to minimize losses.  And if in the off-chance gold and/or silver is monetized and I see my net wealth truly and substantially increase, yay for me!  But I’m not holding onto any such expectation.

Hope that helps explain it.

– Nickbert

  • Sun, Aug 21, 2011 - 07:48pm

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    AO- good retrospective

I think the people’s voices in the US are being drowned out  by a corrupt and greed infested poltiical system. Not enough people are educated enough nor care enough to overwhelm the power, influence and effective deception campaigns being wielded by those on top. At least not yet. I think nothing substantially different will take place until the SHTF. A true crisis of epic proportions requiring a system reset.

All I’m saying if something is going to happen irregardless, why not capitalize and profit from political distortions of economic reality? That’s what speculators and sophisticated investors do. Heck, I’m more interested in establishing and marketing business products and services that can offer solutions to these threats or capitalize on these trends as opposed to investment only activities.

We can all wish and want until we’re blue in the face but our current political system, government, monetary policy and military expansionism has a certain conclusion baked in the cake. All we are waiting for is the cake to be finished, someone to light up, blow out the candles and then start carving the pieces out.

My intention is not to make a fortune promoting these elitist’s dark agenda but rather to insulate myself from political risk, profit from poltical distortions on the markets and create value by offering solutions to people who seek likeminded objectives. Whether that be by investing in precious metals, commodities, agriculture, fresh water, shorting bonds, treasuries, banks or home builders, investing in strategic stocks primed to benefit from key short-term trends, buying farmland outside the US, building a sustainable living community or starting businesses to offer solutions and alternatives, etc… so be it.

This does not imply I support these greedy morally bankrupt bastards. In fact, I could use the proceeds from such investment strategies and marketing trends to create and establish counter efforts, opposition and new proposals.

As unfortunate as it may seem to many, money is critically important to just about anything, especially on a large scale. In order to reverse engineer and counteract the stuation you need a certain amount to promote and spur counterparty efforts. 

I’ll check out that You Tube video you posted.  Thanks for your contribution though.

YE

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