How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

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  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 05:33am

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    Oliveoilguy

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    How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

It breaks my heart to see 80% of my friends and family jump off the lemming cliff with (in most cases) no research or thought about the permanent impact of these gene altering therapies.

I am beginning to see a map in my mind of the 10-20 % of my neighbors who might be the survivors and faced with a new world with minimal resources and minimal human population. The “day after” scenarios involving nuclear Armageddon happen suddenly and have always seemed more plausible…… Now the slow burn of sickness and death from disabled immune systems seems like a reality that has already begun.

Can antidote to the mRNA vaccines be developed?  What can we do?

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 07:19am

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    JAG

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    How to deal with loved ones… Cook for them.

I am beginning to see a map in my mind of the 10-20 % of my neighbors who might be the survivors and faced with a new world with minimal resources and minimal human population.

OOG: I’m a bit surprised that you entertain such ideas. You have always seemed pretty level-headed to me, so I’m reluctant to question you on this.

Do you really think that the vaccines are life-threatening to all that take them?

I know that we are dealing with an unknown here, but we deal with many unknowns and they never end up being the worst-case scenario.

In my half-ass opinion, the most likely scenario is that the vaccine causes a viral mutation that makes it more infectious. Worst-case scenario would be a mutation that outwits the innate immunity of the younger population.

It seems pretty clear that the virus should be the focus of concern, not the vaccines themselves.

I know the lockdown strategy gets a lot of criticism here, but the 1918 flu is a good example of what happens when you don’t lockdown….50 million deaths in just over a year.

Personally, I’m preparing for another round of self-isolation later in the year. During a highly infectious stage, my greatest personal risk comes from going to the grocery store. So I’ve been cooking my butt off lately and stocking my freezers and pantry.

Food is likely to get more expensive and more scarce, no matter what happens with the virus. And it is a great way to create goodwill with family and neighbors. It seems like the best investment of time and money to me.

Disclosure: I haven’t got the vaccine….yet.

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 07:26am

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“It seems pretty clear that the virus should be the focus of concern, not the vaccines themselves”

Really? What is it about a .3% mortality rate that concerns you? I’m just curious, have you taken a defensive driving course in the last 2 years? Have you rotated your tires lately?

If the answer is no to either of these questions, I respectfully suggest that you may not be thinking rationally. Your priorities may have been hijacked by a fear campaign, and even though the data is clear…you have been psychologically worked over to such an extent that you cannot see it.

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 07:50am

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    I agree with you Brushog…

I was going to swipe and copy the same JAG statement.  We have every right to question the vaccines.. and they are very questionable at that.  It’s entirely new technology with no long term safety testing.  The Pfizer and Moderna embody both a new gene therapy approach to creating immunity by having your cells churn out spike proteint, and a new a new lipid nanoparticle delivery technology.  Two risks in one!  The J&J (and Astrazeneca) use the adenovirus vector to get the same endpoint.

What we know now is that were we to freely use all of the therapeutics and supplements available as early treatment, the death from Covid-19 would be less than what we used to tolerate as yearly flu deaths.  I share Oliveoils worry that we have set ourselves up for disaster with these vaccines… but we can also hope that it won’t turn out as bad as we fear.. that maybe the vaccinal antibodies will settle down before the variants hit.. that maybe the innate immune systems of the < 70 year old cohort that has been vaccinated will remain functional.

That being said I really do think we are being set up for a form of vaccine tyranny, whereby those on the vax train become dependent on the next jab, and the next jab, to cover the bases of the Covid-19 spike protein variants.  It’s the perfect trap really… and thanks to the scientifically illiterate masses and the large swatch of scientists who don’t realize they are members of the Pandemia cult, the powers that be will use the mass media to blame it on me.. on my, “vaccine hesitancy”.  Clearly the plight of the vaccinated will rest on my shoulders.. right vs left… black vs white.. vax vs unvax.. the story is getting old.  Love to all,  Jim

 

 

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 08:16am

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    JAG

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    How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

BH: Your priorities may have been hijacked by a fear campaign, and even though the data is clear…you have been psychologically worked over to such an extent that you cannot see it.

Well, ain’t that the pot complaining about the kettle’s surface discoloration.

Geezus, all you guys do is a run your own fear campaign about the vaccines. In the end, it’s all just bullish*t. Just like me, and everyone else, you guys don’t know a thing about the long term consequences of the vaccine.

It’s an unknown.

Just because something is unknown doesn’t mean you should fear it. In fact, fearing an unknown is probably the worst thing you could do.

The only “news” I consume is from this site, so your statement above is ridiculously hypocritical. It is the members here that are promoting the Vaccine Apocalypse fear, not me.

The sad thing is, that I’m really on your side. I have learned to avoid extreme points of view because they are counterproductive to me personally.

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 08:31am

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    roosterrancher

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    Reply To: How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

We are clearly seeing breakthrough cases and deaths with the vax, not a lot of the holy vaxed seem to see it or admit it. At what point do they realize they carry and spread? Those identified as vaxed and positive are sick enough to seek medical attention for testing, that said, those asymptomatic and not sick must number in hoards.

Had a run in with one of the holy vaxed who eats solely organic. I am sorry to say this person was condescending and full of the “truth of science”. Funny that she does not trust the FDA to regulate pesticides but fully trusts the FDA when it comes to drugs and vaccines. A bit of a disconnect to me. Full disclosure we eat and grow organically as well.

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 08:41am   (Reply to #2)

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    Oliveoilguy

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    How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

JAG ….you asked… “Do you really think that the vaccines are life-threatening to all that take them?”…..Life threatening to all ? Maybe? Fatal to all? No. But think about our health care system. It was put on the edge by a virus that only really impacts 5%  of the population. Now we have a situation where the complete vaccinated population (60% to date)  may be compromised (nobody knows for sure….except for the animals in previous trials).   If I would have asked you 2 years ago if you thought a pandemic would kill hundreds of thousands and shut down the world you might not have anticipated it. So I’m just saying that an untested leaky vaccine might push us into uncharted territory where the response of panicked borough rats and pharm could take us down an ever more complex and dangerous pathway. Maybe the first vaccines will be safer than the 3rd or 4th boosters against the intelligent variants.
If you tell me that these vaccines are tested and safe I can say with scientific certainty that they are not.
I might have just answered my original question…..”What I can say to my loved ones”. It is “please do your homework and research before you agree to a second, third, and forth booster dose.”

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 08:54am

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    Kat43

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    How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

OOG, my answer these days to my vaccinated loved ones is “you might want a Plan B in case you get sick anyway”.

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 09:06am

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    brushhog

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    How to deal with loved ones who have been vaxxed

“It’s an unknown.

Just because something is unknown doesn’t mean you should fear it.”

You say the vaccine is an unknown but then assert that the virus is a bigger concern than the vaccine…if it’s unknown, how could you know?

You can’t know. The vaccines are an unknown but the virus is not an unknown. What we know is that the death rate is far lower than original estimates. Its now about .3% [ and seems to be falling the more we learn ].

So tell me how getting injected with an unknown serum [ which the manufacturers have insisted upon total immunity ], is less dangerous than a mid-grade flu with a .3% death rate? You acknowledge the irrationality of that position, at least?

  • Sat, May 01, 2021 - 09:11am

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    NV_Jana

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    Every child went down the rat hole.

I believe that I failed to teach my children critical thinking.  There are 5 between my husband and I.  One by one they succumbed to propaganda and peer pressure.  One suffered an anaphylactic reaction that came close to killing him…but his doctor has told him to try again. The final one down that path – who works in the holistic health field – was convinced by a friend that it was the thing to do.  Think Seattle and Austin respectively.  My advice to them had been as my mother had shared with me… “Act in Haste, Repent in Leisure.”

And they think that we are the ones who are crazy.

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