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How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could do? I’ll start with just 2

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  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 11:29pm

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    Damnthematrix

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

"#2…why is it when there is a hurricane, tornado damage, they showpictures of loading mass trash of everything into dump trucks and the
trucks drive away, to dump it where?????  do they haul this stuff
somehwere to go thru it????  I don’t know…

seems our landfills are full…why cn’t people go thru and pick out the
good stuff….and there is alot of good stuff, all sorts of lumber,
that could be reused…"oh someone is going to get hurt, lawyers are
gonna have a field day"

No…..  this is CAPITALISM at work…  everything based on MONEY.

It’s CHEAPER to make ‘new stuff’ than to recycle stuff.  The fuel used to move all the rubbish is way too cheap as well.

I’ve just built a house.  A lot of the materials I used are recycled.  I spent DAYS pulling nails and screws out of that timber.  Could even be weeks…  Just imagine paying someone to do it, and then compare buying new.  To prove my point, you can buy denailed timber in Australia, but it costs more than ne.  It’s better though, good seasoned hardwood.  Mind you, that stuff’s so hard you have to pre-drill every nail hole…  more expense if you pay someone.  THEN there’s always the possibility of missed nails/screws, and you putting your saw blades or planer through it and having to buy a new $60 blade for the pleasure.

It’s a labour of love, trust me with this one….

Mike 

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 11:35pm

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    Damnthematrix

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

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Not sure what part of the country you live in, but here in Virginia organic food runs about 30% more than "regular" food."

One of my pet peeves.  Do you know why this is so?

Because the TRUE COST of the fossil fuels embedded in food is not priced at its true value.  With oil at $147, organic food would be cheaper than that other crap they sell in supermarkets…..  and if you grow your own,,,  well it’s basically FREE!

Mike 

  • Fri, Jan 30, 2009 - 01:06am

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    J Kovacs

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

I know.  Sorry. I just read through it pretty quick and missed some stuff.  I was in a hurry.  I did read the TIME DOLLAR idea.  Pretty interesting.  Have to cut it short.  I plan on to read it again.  Have a good one

 ~Joe 

  • Fri, Jan 30, 2009 - 06:02am

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    caroline_culbert

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

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Caroline – Where to start? [/quote]

Yes… I knew this would happen…

[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile][quote=caroline_culbert]  —ban all commercials during children’s tv programs

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Ahhh, the all sweeping decision in a vacuum approach.  What about the worker at the manufacturer that makes the product that is being sold?  Now they lose their job because the company isn’t selling their product because it’s "necessary" for the government to mandate what children see on TV.  Here’s a novel idea – Why not let their parent’s do their job and oversee what their children are exposed to? [/quote]

1.  it’s not necessary for a company to advertise to sell their product; therefore, your conclusion is false, i.e., "they" will not lose their jobs because the "company isn’t selling their product."

2.  I never said the government would mandate what children see on tv.  What I did say, though, was that the government should eliminate commercials during children programming.

3.  My point, in an earlier post, was this:  Children should not be exposed to advertisements.  Advertisements directed toward children eight yrs. of age and under do not understand the nature of "advertisements" and are not able to comprehend and sort out much of the misleading material they’re exposed to during those commercials.  You and I can (for the most part) but not children under the age of eight.  When they go to the store with mommy and daddy, they cannot understand why their product is nothing like the product they saw in the commercial.  Will they learn their lesson?  Maybe.  This study was done by the APA.  I think you can still find the article on their website.

[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile][quote=caroline_culbert] —eliminate all vending machines in schools (use part of the bailout $$ they are giving to schools to set up fresh/organic fruits, veg., and nuts "carts")

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Not sure what part of the country you live in, but here in Virginia organic food runs about 30% more than "regular" food.  Who is going to make up the difference?  Taxpayers in the school zone?  Or do we enlarge government’s role even further and have them step in and come up with more legislation?  Or, once again, how about putting the burden of responsible decision making back on the parents and have them decide what their kid is going to eat?  [/quote]

If they’re already dishing out the money AND they need to itemize it to something, then that was my suggestion.  Sorry for misleading you on that.  I was just suggesting where to appropriate the $$ already given to school programs.

[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile][quote=caroline_culbert] —ban all auto "performance" shops (which  enables heavily pollution and negates/takes out the very measures put into cars to lower CO2 emissions)

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You really need to do your homework on this one.  Many after market car performance shops actually increase the efficiency of the engine.  Yes, let’s ban them. [/quote]

My husband is the one who told me about these companies.  He restricts warranty of any new car if it’s due to the aftermarket parts that cause the automobiles to fail.  He works in the warranty dept., of one of the big three, and has brought up the issue several times to many people regarding the emissions problems.  I thought, at one point, he was going to go to the EPA directly.  I hear much of this stuff from him.  He may be wrong about this, but he works with this stuff every day.

[quote=Dogs_In_A_Pile][quote=caroline_culbert] —require all products to print the cost of the item on price tags (along with the price they’re selling it for)… most consumers have no idea what items (like Nike and diamonds) actually cost the manufacturers/dealers and they get ripped off because consumers pay for something without knowing the markups on items.  If consumers actually knew what a latte costs (out the door) are to the company they would be shocked at the price they actually paid for the item.[/quote]

This is my favorite.  Now we are going to have the government enact legislation to regulate the free market and capitalism?  Regulate?  Hell, this proposal would "establish" the market, not regulate it.  This is how the free market works.  People pay for the perception of value and the margin gap is is what market forces have determined what price people are willing to bear.  The percentage doesn’t matter one iota. If a car costs $1 to manufacture, but the market is willing to pay $10,000 for it, guess what?  The price of the car should be $10,000, not some fraction above cost.

Every one of your proposals would either lead to larger, more intrusive government i.e., socialism, or even further expansion of the nanny state.

No thanks. [/quote]

 

My point was this.  If you and I were both cobblers and you lost your fingers and couldn’t make shoes anymore AND you knew the price of the shoe, then would you tell your best friend the cost of the shoe if I tried to sell him the shoe for 300% above cost?  I think it is unethical if you don’t tell your friend the truth.  I’m not saying I shouldn’t make a profit, but I am saying that there is something that doesn’t sit well with me.  I would tell my family and friends (heck–whoever I could) the true cost of those shoes and see what they are willing to pay for them.

For example:

I am more likely to pay for latte that costs $4.65 if I knew that the company was making only a 20% profit.  I would not, however, pay for a latte knowing that the profit margin on the latte was 80%.

You think people would stop buying if they saw the prices;  I think that people would stop buying those things that they feel are a ripp-off and buy only those things that they thought was a fair price (haggling).  Capitalism can still exist within a transparent world of economics and prices.  The secrets are not necessary for capitalism to work.  If you ask me for a 25% profit on the lumber you sell me, then I would pay it.  If my situation is pretty good, then I would probably give you more.  If my situation is dire then I would ask for a lower price thereby reducing your profit.  If your situation is dire then you shouldn’t ask for anything, say, less than 35% at the time.  It depends (just like how we leave a tip when going out to eat, at the hairdresser’s, and etc.)  I know an avg. waitress gets a base rate of around $2/hr-$3/hr. plus potential tips/gratuity.  It’s no secret.  Why is everything else? 

 

  • Fri, Jan 30, 2009 - 06:13am

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    caroline_culbert

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

[quote=JK121]

 

 Government should first be DOWNSIZED.

 

1.  Companies who stay here in the U.S. pay no corporate tax

 

2.  No income tax.

 

3.  End the Fed.

 

4.  end empire overseas[/quote]

 

[quote=JK121]

 

5.  Invest in Tidal, Wave, Solar, Geo Thermal energy.[/quote]

 

Only if we have the $$$ to do so.

 

[quote=JK121]

 

6.   Fair elections.[/quote]

 

Everyone these days claim their elections are fair (or unfair depending on the side you’re on)

 

[quote=JK121]

 

7.  More public knowledge about actions of D.C.  

 

8.  Take all bad chemical out of the food.[/quote]

 

Leave food alone.  We’ve tampered with it enough.  Don’t have to take it out if we don’t inject it with anything.

[quote=JK121]

just a few ideas.  To correct D.C. I would probably have a list of about over 500 new rules to end or correct the status Quo.  

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  • Fri, Jan 30, 2009 - 10:46am

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    Vanityfox451

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

Hi Joe,

thats o.k, but, in future, don’t rush out a reply so quickly if you’re strapped for time…your answer is now a permanent fixture here. I wouldn’t have minded if your reply was 15 #Posts ahead on this thread, if it were a reasoned one…

Paul

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