How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could do? I’ll start with just 2

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  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 02:06am

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    J Kovacs

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

My view on taxes is what Ron Paul advocates.  Sorry I did not go into more detail about it, but I can only type so long

before I get sick of it.  I am no fan of our tax system.  I think it is anti-american.   We do need what Dr. Paul talks about.  

Their system of taxing will collapse eventually.  The people will not go along with this insane system much longer.  

I believe in 1913 the tax code was 14 pages, today it’s up to over 15,000.  This has got to stop.  

 

~Joe 

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 02:12am

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    J Kovacs

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Well agree to disagree. There is not enough evidence of this Co2 binge everyone is on.  Blame man for this, blame man for that, tax tax tax.  If you go along with that global warming bullshit, then you’re promoting more of a reason for government to take control.  Not a good thing.  I think it’s more of poor allocation of resources that make the concepts of increased population a bad thing.  The monetary system itself will promote many of the problems we complain about in society.  And since politicians do not know how to solve human problems they pass a law, for laws are a result of insufficiency.  

 

~Joe 

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 02:56am

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Joe,

It appears we do agree that taxes should be eliminated.  A tax revolt of some sort is on the horizon.  In my town (pop. 30,000) the school district is pushing for a $68M tax increase to build and maintain the schools.  This failed by 2 to 1 ayear ago when the un-employment crisis was not evident yet.  Now it will probably go down in flames even more.  Government never ends programs or cuts spending.  Dr. Ron Paul was a fresh voice in the wilderness. Discourage any tax that is proposed, even if it has some benefit.  The tax code is being used to manipulate people behaviours.

Gary

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 04:38am

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 I’m not sure how much saya the fed has in schools….but I th ink they should have a class…that teaches finances….in grade school, and high school…and it should be manditory, and every child has to pass…teach them about cc debt, the stock market, compound interest…and seems to me they could make it a interesting class, not some dull boring numbers class..

teach them about gardening, building things, using their hands…

 

#2…why is it when there is a hurricane, tornado damage, they show pictures of loading mass trash of everything into dump trucks and the trucks drive away, to dump it where?????  do they haul this stuff somehwere to go thru it????  I don’t know…

seems our landfills are full…why cn’t people go thru and pick out the good stuff….and there is alot of good stuff, all sorts of lumber, that could be reused…"oh someone is going to get hurt, lawyers are gonna have a field day"

  no, not if its done right….just like they passed a law where a whistleblower now gets no protection, or has to report it in a certain period of time. whatever micky mouse law they passed on that…or like the law they passed where its about impossible for a individual to file for bankruptcy these days

 there has to be a way…and if the pencil pushers don’t want to get thier hands dirty, that’s their tuff luck….

#3 if a company goes offshore, tax them…3 times as high, as a company in the US…an keep raising the taxes on them every year…no loopholes allowed…

#4…If a farmer or rancher wants to test all his cattle for mad cow disease…let him…right now if you do that the Agriculture deptartment or some such bureau will sue you

 #5, when a congress man/woman does something out of line…nail them tot he wall, right now…lets not have committee meetings and long trials and dragged out mumbo jumbo…since we are paying thier wages, they should be set to a higher standard…seems they have a double standard for them…things they do, we (the lil people) would wind up in jail for…right off the bat…well, we should do a double standard on them….guilty before proven innocent…

 okay, I’ll stop ranting now…

couple more things

 get rid of the electorial college…and get rid of that raise they automatically give themselves…. 

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 04:41am

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[quote=robert2009email]

Hello,

This is my first post.

1)  A small, constructive idea 

If I could ask the government to do one constructive thing which would have immediate benefits, I would ask that all unsolicited mail (junk mail) be forbidden.  The majority of junk mail (especially catalogs) is tossed straight in the trash.  Think of the energy required to produce the ink, the paper, and the delivery of that junk mail.  There are other solutions now – advertisers can utilize the internet.  This would also apply to phone books – no longer necessary.

2) A large, constructive idea

Hmmm, maybe an investment in algae bioreactors would be a larger solution.  Algae grows amazingly fast, consumes CO2 as feedstock (bonus!), and can be pressed for oil.  (diesel engines can run on vegetable oil in warm weather)  The best part is that the cake-like meal that is formed after pressing the algae is an excellent source of food for cattle or as a soil-enhancer.  (Actually, the best part is that we can keep growing algae forever … it’s sustainable.)

Cheers,

Robert

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Very good idea for #1 BUT a lot of people do open their junk mail AND they have every right to "Refuse- Return to Sender" on their envelope.  Many don’t/won’t do this because they still like their junk mail.  Many companies are advertising/advocating electronic bills anyway to eliminate overhead.

Depending on where the algae is (if feeding to cattle) the algae can be very distructive to other habitats esp. marine.

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 04:43am

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[quote=JK121]

Well agree to disagree. There is not enough evidence of this Co2 binge everyone is on.  Blame man for this, blame man for that, tax tax tax.  If you go along with that global warming bullshit, then you’re promoting more of a reason for government to take control.  Not a good thing.  I think it’s more of poor allocation of resources that make the concepts of increased population a bad thing.  The monetary system itself will promote many of the problems we complain about in society.  And since politicians do not know how to solve human problems they pass a law, for laws are a result of insufficiency.  

~Joe [/quote]

I think I know how you feel because I shared your views 2 years ago.

I am 50 years old, have voted conservative all my life, and consider myself a capitalist/libertarian. Over the last 2 years I have had the luxury of studying what is going on in the world and my views have significantly changed. Let me explain.

Capitalism is the best system in the world for generating wealth. Why? I think its success is in large part due to its alignment with how our brains have evolved. We are genetically predisposed to compete and to try to capture more resources for ourselves and our families. Capitalism encourages competition and rewards the most innovative and hard working people.

Our brains have also evolved other behaviors. One of these behaviors is to focus on the present and to discount the future. This makes sense when you consider that our brains have changed little since our hunter gatherer days. There is no point in thinking about the future when you have to find enough food for today.

For this reason, I do not think capitalism works for issues that have large impacts many years in the future, like energy depletion and climate change. I think there is a role for governments to set strategies that force us to sacrifice something today to receive some benefit many years in the future.

Once government has set the long term strategy, I think capitalism can and should take over. So for example, I want the government to do something that makes liquid fossil fuels very expensive so that we use less and so that alternate energies can be profitably developed. I don’t think the government has any role in choosing which is the right alternate energy, they should just create the environment necessary for investment and competition to take place.

With regard to climate change I wish it were not so political. There was an interesting study done recently that showed that if you told a conservative that climate change was serious and needed big government to solve it, they responded by saying climate change was a hoax. If you then told the same person that climate change was serious and could be solved by some innovative company, they agreed that it needed to be addressed.

I used to think climate change was a joke and that I wanted warmer summers anyway. Then I made the time to study it carefully and my views changed to genuine fear and horror for my children.

Please try to keep an open mind and dig deeper. The stakes are too high for us to be wrong.

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 05:02am

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

The gov’t should: 

1.  Stop spending money we don’t have.  They expect Americans to pay taxes AND be responsible consumers then so should they.

2.  Get rid of all lobbyists

3.  Everything should be electronic (this does not require one to be online).

For example:

When you go to the doctor’s office and they have to take a photocopy of your ins. card, they should just scan it (double-sided scanner) and file it (electronically).  Many will ask a lot of "what ifs" but situations like "losing an ‘electronic’ file" is no different than "losing the ‘physical’ file".

Copy machines should be set up to scan to multiple drives at once.  For example, when a kindergarten class has to bring home eight flyers about god-knows-what, the teacher, rather than printing off 20 one-sided copies of flyers times eight different flyers, can stick memory sticks into the copier/scanner and upload the image, as files, to the memory sticks.

Everyone, in the entire country, should be required to recyle everything.  The gov’t should have help lines set up for those that need to call in for questions regarding any obscure items that need to be recycled.  The gov’t should spend a lot of money finding ways to set up recycling centers all accross the U.S.  During this time, they should ban any and all disposible cups from being sold (starbucks).

The gov’t should ban all disposible platic utensils (consider the amt being thrown away by all the consumers who stop at fast food restaurants and elsewhere).  There are recyclable/biodegradable* utensils out there.  *the biodegradeable utensils are not biodegradable in the sense that we can just throw them in our compost piles.

The gov’t should ban all billboards.

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 06:03am

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Wow, what a pick up in responses, all good stuff… one thing I’d like to mention on debt forgiveness/default.  It’s occuring right now as we speak, the problem is that we need to crystallize it.  The banks taking writedowns is in effect a partial default if they crystallize it and the way to do that is to bring that to the individual homeowner… there was a great post towards the beginning of this thread that shows how people can take advantage of that and use partial default in their favour.  Homeowner debt and gov’t debt in the end is the same thing… a tax to society and wealth but this time if the default occurs on the banking side, there’s a shift in wealth distribution and the beneficiaries are the ones whose debt was forgiven and the investors in the banks take the hit.

  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 02:10pm

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    J Kovacs

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    Re: How about a list of constructive things the gov’t could …

Well Gary it’s true the entire tax/money system is just another control devise used by the people at the top.  I am in the middle of reading the book "Web of Debt"  WOW, this book will shock you.  I suggest everyone on this site read it.  It paints a clear picture on what is going on.  Hope things turn around soon, and yes something is on the horizon. 
 
~Joe 
  • Thu, Jan 29, 2009 - 02:22pm

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Yes Capitalism is a great system it has built up America, but we took a wrong turn and are heading down a road where
government can only tell you where to go.  Remember they only introduce technology/resources that will help the Big Corporations keep market share, and not really introduce something of abundance and clean.  Which I personally think they are.  You really cannot put a price on abundance.  Capitalism does create incentive but at the same time greed and corruption drags along with it, but I think more greed and corruption is attached due to the way we run our monetary and fiscal responsibilities.   This country lost it’s direction in 1913, and I hope we can get back to grass roots one day and turn it all around, having government dictate to us is not the answer.  Thanks for the feedback Cedar.
 
~Joe 
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