Hospitalization in unvaccinated rate

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  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 11:46am

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Hi,

I am having difficulty finding what the rate of Covid hospitalizations are in unvaccinated individuals.  I watched quite a few of the Peak Prosperity videos but I do not think this point is confirmed:

ie. what % of unvaccinated individuals who are exposed to the Delta variant of COVID, are hospitalized?

(by age)

(ideally with no prior history of COVID infection)

I have loosely heard of rates between 1 and 5%.

 

Thank you,

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  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 12:05pm

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Check your local or state websites.  The way they are counting cases , figure all vaccine injuries are unvaxxed hospitalizations, and the rest are unvaxxed people.  They do not count most vaxxed people have covid – they will call it pneumonia or something.   So figure its all COVID patients –  But I do not think it gives you are real picture – I would think its maybe 20-30% of those

They are purposely hiding this numbers – not so much to not know how many unvaxxed there are hospitalized, but to protect that the vaccines dont work or cause harm.

  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 12:26pm

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I can’t give you exactly what you’re asking for, for my area, the province of Ontario, Canada.

Here is the distribution of variants vs the original COVID (I presume that is what “no mutation detected” means): https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/data-and-analysis/infectious-disease/covid-19-data-surveillance/covid-19-data-tool?tab=trends

This graph indicates that the incidence of the delta variant has already peaked and subsided here, and we are still dealing primarily with the original COVID strain. Interesting.

Here is our data on hospitalized patients, vaccinated vs unvaccinated, with breakdowns for ICU, ventilator or not: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations#hospitalizationsByVaccinationStatus

These data show that fully vaccinated comprise around 20% of our hospitalized patients and less than 10% of our ICU patients.

I couldn’t find data for the percentage of hospitalized patients infected with specific variants.

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My understanding is that the US data on this question is not consistent and in some cases deliberately obfuscated.  Israel has a more complete and accurate data set. The situation in Israel will be a predictor of what occurs in our country according to the following article:  https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/09/21/israel-pfizer-vaccine.aspx

Hope this helps

  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 01:01pm   (Reply to #4)

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Let’s hope so. Follow the science— well, when you don’t track the data, it’s difficult to do that!

Israel, with as high a vaccination rate and booster recommendation as they have, recognizes natural immunity and will allow international travelers in with proof of antibodies.  We can only hope the US will follow suit.

  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 01:02pm   (Reply to #4)

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dg, I agree , you can only look at the Israel data – and its even broken down by age.

Overall it showed, that both unvaxxed and vaxxed were hospitalized at equal rates per their represented populations.   meaning that the vaccines where useless at best.  ( a couple mos )   There did seem to be some protection from death , but that has seemed to swing the other direction with time.    Again as more of the vaccine protection wanes – hence, the boosters.  ( But something there is still looking ugly as well )

 

  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 01:11pm

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This is a good source of information from England. Page 19 and 20 have details of outcomes for both vaxed and unvaxed.

Comparing this report with number 21 shows that;

Unvaccinated deaths went from 390 to 722.

Vaccinated > 14 days post dose number 2 went from 679 to 1613.

Trend is not looking good for the jabbed.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018547/Technical_Briefing_23_21_09_16.pdf

  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 03:30pm

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Thank you for your responses which I plan to dig into more.  I quickly looked up the data from Alberta, Canada.

http://alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm

Although it doesn’t parse out the vaccinated or variant type, overall it shows:

20-29 year olds:  1.3 of 100 cases hospitalized / 0.2 of 100 cases to ICU / 2.4 of 100,000 cases died

30-39: 2.2 / 0.3 / 2.4

40-49: 3.3 / 0.7 / 8.7

50-59: 6.4 / 1.7 / 23.4

60-69: 11.4 / 3.2 / 70.6

etc..

I am wondering how many cases were never tested in actuality?  If you were to subtract the false positives and add the real cases that were never found, how many cases would there be?  25% more?  100% more?  1000% more?

 

  • Tue, Sep 21, 2021 - 03:51pm

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In addition to my note above, reviewing the data from UK shared by Blaggers above.  Using the same format as Alberta does with their data.

If someone could double check my math it would be appreciated:

note – using the “inclusive” data / higher figures

  • Fully Vaccinated under 50 (14 days since second dose):
    • .84 out of 100 cases are hospitalized overnight or longer.
    • 56 out of 100,000 cases have died.
  • Unvaccinated under 50 (no doses at all):
    • 1.8 out of 100 cases are hospitalized overnight or longer.
    • 52.25 out of 100,000 cases have died.

What I’m not understanding is where the overwhelming case is that people should be forced or coerced to be vaccinated.

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