Help! What’s real?

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  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 03:00pm

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    cwg

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    Help! What’s real?

First time poster. Not finding answers anywhere else hoping ya’all can guide me.
what is real ?!(baby don’t hurt me…) with regards to Honey Badger? Where is the tsunami of new infections I was sure were imminent from the rallies of three weeks ago?! Where is the exponential explosion ?

Am I falling prey to the “it’s a hoax” messaging or are they right after all ?
just can’t seem to find my bearings.
thanks for your replies !

William

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 03:18pm

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I’ve been wondering the same thing.  Clearly, it is not a given that large unmasked crowds will automatically result in dramatic increases in illness.  I say clearly because I have been watching daily reports of infections in our area following large protests where many people were yelling and shouting together without masks and like you, I have not seen any uptick even several weeks later.

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 03:19pm

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    Have You Watched Any Of The Videos cwg?

If you haven’t then I’d go back a month and start watching. That will fill you in pretty well on what is fact and what is fiction.

The infections from the first rallies are showing up. Numbers in those states are beginning to climb again. Watch the next two weeks and worry.

That said, the worries at the beginning of this crisis were on the worst side because we knew so little about this virus. We had only the Chinese and you don’t lock down millions of people without cause.

Social distancing and masks have helped alot but here in the US we’ve really botched it. Consider we have a third of the World’s deaths. That’s not doing the job.

Read up some, watch the videos, try not to read too much into some of the drama, and stay away from the hydroxychloroquine discussions for now. They will make your head hurt, lol.

Welcome to Peak Prosperity.

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 06:30pm

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Thanks for the reply D and the word of welcome. I’ve been watching the videos faithfully and they are what prompted me to join. I just don’t get that we’re not seeing overrun hospitals overrun and it’s making me doubt the true severity of it all. “Wait two weeks” is what we said 3 weeks ago. Guess it’ll be what it will be.

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 07:16pm

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    US has done better than most European Countries

In total deaths per 1 million of population the US sits at 12th. Spain, England, Italy, Belgium, France, Sweden, Netherlands, and Ireland all have higher mortality stats.

Then you need to factor in the countries who you know are lying…..like China, Russia, Iran, and then countries who just don’t have the resources to even tabulate the death count.

I would say that among our peers, the USA is doing a better job than most.

 

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 07:56pm

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    Know Any HCWs? Ask Them

I just don’t get that we’re not seeing overrun hospitals overrun and it’s making me doubt the true severity of it all.

I’ve spoken to several friends who are HCWs and they say we came very close to many hospitals collapsing under the sick. We just escaped it because the numbers were not as bad as we thought they could be AND the measures we took helped greatly to cut the flood of the infected needing care.

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 08:08pm

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Mostly, people don’t catch SC2 in outside venues.  This, according to a study done in China some time back.  (Some media is beginning to pick up on that one).  Likewise, the warm and humid weather helps block transmission too.  Nations with warm climates seem to have done better.

I have 3 studies on point if you are interested.

So, even though MSM is horrified about people together outside protesting (conform, or we’ll all die!), my best guess is, that’s not where the problem is.  And (to me at least) its laughable to worry about people on the beach, with a 15 mph wind, sun shining, etc.  Virus dies outside fast.

That said, if I were in an area of high infection, I would avoid cool, dry, air-conditioned subways, unless I had one of those trusty masks.  Which do help.  I have a study on point there too.

Transport, and indoor venues.

Lastly, not every place is the same.  Some areas were hit hard, while others – pretty much crickets.  I suspect weather will be found to be an important factor as to why some places did well and others did not.  That, plus differences in nursing home protection policies (FL vs NY, for instance) that kept old and infirm people safe.

  • Wed, May 27, 2020 - 08:10pm

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Go to Worldmeters and click on Italy, Germany, Australia or Korea ect. I like Italy, now go to  the daily new cases bar graph.  Do the same for the USA and pick a state, FL ,CA or TX will do. Look at the bar graph for Italy and notice how smoothly it tails off. Compare to bar graph for say CA or TX and notice what the tail looks like, it is “fat” long and chaotic and keeps going on. Why? it is because these diverse countries utilized either very stringent lock downs and/or had easy readily available testing which early on hit a very high percentage of negative tests results. When the US early on was hitting 80% something negative test results, Australia and NZ hit over 99% negatives on their tests.  SO…  BOTH our “lockdown” and testing were an awful joke (although testing has very slowly improved)  and when we start to un lockdown the effect is not very dramatic because it is essentially little different than what we are already doing and many of those measures ARE more or less effective (masks, social distancing, no large gatherings, hygiene ect.).  Probably not what you want to see but here is an scholarly paper on “the tail” and its dangers in a pandemic 🙂 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-020-0921-x    As an aside, my nephew is in his early 30’s and lives in CA. This last week he had overt symptoms of covid -19 but was denied a test on two occasions. This is why we are a failure, this is why we haven’t crushed the curve like so many other countries (NZ, Korea the list goes on and on)

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