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  • Fri, Oct 09, 2020 - 09:06am

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    Help understand US politics

Hans

If your want to begin to understand  politics in the USA you must start with the underlying facts:

1- The US is not a democracy. The proper terms are kleptocracy and Empire.

2- Regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans achieve “victory” the policies they execute are designed to primarily benefit a few thousand billionaires who control the vast majority of wealth.  Policies (like universal health care) favored by the vast majority are swept under the rug by ruling class dominance and ownership of the media and politicians.

3- Elections and “politics” serve the same functions as circuses in Roman coliseums or football games in contemporary USA–diversion and entertainment.  They represent contests among the ruling class over division of the spoils and graft rampant  throughout the system, but never challenge the fundamental consensus supporting permanent war and financialization of profits.

“If elections mattered they would make them illegal”   George Carlin

  • Fri, Oct 09, 2020 - 11:02am

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    Help understand US politics. “The Swamp” Wants to continue the war.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/anonymous-officials-unleash-trump-media-wanting-afghan-pullout-christmas

On Wednesday of this week President Trump tweeted a promise to bring American troops home from Afghanistan, the country’s longest running war now at 19-years, by Christmas.

The statement which no doubt is also related to the November election lead-up and possible looming foreign policy debate (which may or may not actually happen) took many defense officials by surprise.

But further, it now appears there’s a coordinated effort to stymie such withdrawal plans before they ever get off the ground, with anonymous officials immediately telling the major networks that they disapprove…

Here is one of many ways I fault Trump, even though he’s trying to do the right things in many instances. Yes, Trump is inexperienced, inept, and resisted by his own administration. But he IS the Commander in Chief of the military. He has more unilateral control with the military than with any other facet of his Executive powers. If I were President, I’d address the Joint Chiefs in private and order them to withdraw from Syria and Afghanistan by Christmas or any other logistically possible date of my choosing. If any Joint Chief, General, or Admiral were to make a public statement opposing my order I’d relieve them of command and drum them right out of the military by tomorrow. If those at the very tippy top of the command structure were to drag their feet or fail to fulfill my order I’d go all Abe Lincoln on their asses and terminate their employment in the US military. And I’d keep doing that, like Lincoln, until I got to a General who could follow orders with nothing but a brisk “Yessir!” and get the freakin job done. Trump’s political opponents could wail and gnash their teeth, but they have exactly zero say in military matters (especially when it comes to withdrawing troops). And about 70% of the country would give him a standing ovation. In the past Trump has announced a pullout from Syria, but Generals made public statements indicating the withdrawal wouldn’t happen as he announced, and there was no withdrawal (and no Generals heads rolled). And then if Trump reassigned those troops to border control detail with orders to absolutely crush illegal entries, he would be sainted and unanimously awarded the Nobel Prize. For the 10th Mountain Division and the 1st Infantry Division, stopping illegal alien crossings along our desert southern border would be child’s play compared to chasing the Taliban all over the mountains and deserts over there. I’m absolutely clueless why Trump doesn’t take these kinds of actions where courts, Democrats and RINO’s can’t touch him. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Sat, Oct 10, 2020 - 12:10am

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Unfortunately Davefairtex and others offer a small window on the situation. What 45 PROMISED is what Dave wrote, and why people responded to him. What we got tho, is something entirely different which many people are not acknowledging, and those that are hate him.

Our troops are still fighting all over the place, we’ve betrayed our allies, the trade war with China cost countless Americans a whole whole lot, ie: small farms that’d been in a families for generations went bankrupt, prices have gone up across the board, the wealth gap has never been greater (a revolution sized wealth gap); 25% of Americans – the lowest income group are about to be on the street and can’t afford food to eat cause of the economy and the pandemic… trmp (who NYers knew full well way before he went into TV or politics, I’m a NYer) has stiffed people all over the place, fomented incredible division, supported right wing terrorism… the list goes on… he’s trying to steal an election, the AG is his tool and does whatever he wants, as well as a good portion of the GOP senate (who hate him but are so venal they toady up to him cause if they don’t he’ll turn his base against them and they’re out of power) so as of now we’re fast on our way to a dictatorship (he’s trying to jail his political enemies, the proud boys are the new brownshirts) he’s selling our land out to big oil and mining corporations, destroying the environment… and the lies. The f*cking lies.

If he did anything remotely like what he promised perhaps a lot of us would’ve been happy with him.

However, what is going on here is a combination of different things. Here’s my take:

1. The video makes an excellent point.

2. No one knows the truth. The press has been totally undermined, all major networks are slanting the news towards whatever their current belief system is. Fox News, the main news outlet peddles outright lies (which they themselves admit, they used that argument in court recently). Other networks, the left networks, simply don’t cover stuff. Poof! Its gone! It never existed!

3. Conspiracy theories control vast groups of people. Take the above on the FBI wiretapping trmp’s campaign. Thats flat out Russian propaganda and yet a ton of people believe it. The FBI WAS wiretapping Carter Page who worked for the trmp campaign, because they had a ton of evidence he was working for Russia (he was).

4. The education system in this country has tanked. LOTS of people graduate high school not knowing how to read. No one is taught critical thinking. Let me rephrase that: a lot of Americans are stupid. Sorry to be blunt.

AND MOST IMPORTANT:

5. Americans CAN’T STAND TO BE WRONG!!! This is very important to understand. Whats happened is people choose their team, Dem, GOP,conspiracy, and stick with it, regardless of what their candidate does or what happens, because they don’t want to admit they made a mistake. ANYTHING BUT ADMIT THEY MADE A MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a very very bad in America, might as well commit harakiri.
And you see extravagant insane magical thinking to justify anyone or anything to avoid that wrongness. A great example: The Evangelical Christians love trmp. They LOVE him and they managed to find a passage in the bible saying he’s an imperfect messenger of god, and sent by god, bla bla bla… and thus all his whoring around and lying and denigrating people and racism (sorry Dave this is not a left wing conspiracy, this is well known about the man since the 70s, read what he writes, look what he says, look at his family history, listen to his sister about how he speaks about people of color “shithole countries”, “rapists and murderers”… he’s on tape saying this so how you can deny it is beyond me) …anyway – got distracted there, sorry – he’s the nastiest piece of work according to Christianity and yet they love him.

NO ONE IS LOOKING AT THE REALITY OF ANY SITUATION AND RESPONDING TO IT. PEOPLE WITH AGENDAS OR BELIEF SYSTEMS ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS AND TWISTING IT INTO INSANE PRETZELS TO TRY TO MAKE IT FIT THEIR NARRATIVE.

Ie: we have trmp vs big pharma (did anyone see any drug prices coming down in these 4 years? Hint, they’ve been skyrocketing). Trmp is saving us from China, making America safer… bringing manufacturing home… where? Tell me where? Iran and N Korea are now nuclear powers and they rightly hate us. Safer. Right. Yup. all these freaking stories that do not have anything to do with reality. Anything that comes out against it is ‘fake news’ or there’s a secret conspiracy thats whats REALLY going on. Scientists are fake and the only person who knows the real truth is trmp.

And the rest of the country is recoiling in horror at people who’ve lost their minds and become part of this cult of trmp (who incidentally turns out to be 420 something million in debt to …someone… and obviously very very beholden to …someone… so he is not a non-manipulatable person…
So that bit about not being beholden to big pharma? pffft.

And then the left goes crazy, decides that trmp is the devil incarnate so anything he says is WRONG WRONG WRONG, ie: HCQ insanity, etc.

And the entire vibe of America is us vs them, rancor, hatred, RAGE… This is the collective mind Americans are all in right now, and believe me it affects everyone. You cannot escape the flavor of the broth of the soup you are swimming in.

So thats my take on American politics and trmp right now. The rest of the world sees very clearly what he is. Many Americans don’t. Expect violence this winter, and probably the end of America as we once knew her. Not sure thats a bad thing at all, we’ve been an imperialistic bully to the rest of the planet for far too long. We were once the symbol of freedom, the place where you could create whatever you wanted for yourself, we’ve become the symbol of imperialism and stupidity.

  • Sat, Oct 10, 2020 - 12:16am

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Maybe he’s afraid of rebellion and mutiny within the military itself?

I know in Europe he will be depicted as a dictator if he would lay off these generals. I know so because of the comments in the media over here about assigning a new judge for the supreme court before the elections.

  • Sat, Oct 10, 2020 - 01:00am

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    firing generals means you’re a dictator

I know in Europe he will be depicted as a dictator if he would lay off these generals. I know so because of the comments in the media over here about assigning a new judge for the supreme court before the elections.

Heh well that’s an interesting dynamic.

Let’s go step by step.

If the elected civilian head of the government gives an order to the military, and it is not carried out, and his response is to fire the general that refuses the order – and to keep firing generals until he finds one that WILL carry the order out – this is the mark of a dictator?

By design, the elected head of the government is the representative of the people.  He campaigned on bringing the troops home.  When he tries to do this – execute the will of the people – and the military resists – he is somehow cast as dictator?

In what universe does this make logical sense?

I mean – Hans – I think you’re right.  That’s what would happen.

But it shows just how far into Orwell’s NewSpeak we have gone, that the military gets to do what it wants (looking quite independent of “civilian control”), and if the President objects – well, the media obediently labels the President a dictator.

Hmm.  Who do we think controls the media, then?  And just what sort of government do we really have?

  • Sat, Oct 10, 2020 - 01:04am

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Hello Peggy,

Thank you for your comment. This is what we hear about Trump in Europe. I don’t say that is right or wrong, but it is a one-sided story that we hear. I was wondering what the other side of the story is, because I refuse to believe half of a country is stupid (I am not saying you say so, but that’s the idea over here). What Dave and others wrote makes sence to me. Not that I am or have become a Trump-fan. But neither am I a Biden-fan or ever will be. I just want to understand both sides’ arguments and try to make any sence of what I hear and see.

What you write about the American culture of never admitting that you made a mistake or that you were wrong; I have never thought of that. That is a quite dangerous attitude that can only lead to escalation and deepening the differences.

One of the reasons why I want to understand what is going on, is that behind the scenes, the American influence on European politics is huge. Europe just follows the US in such uncritical way that I expect brutal power preasure behind the scenes. On the Dutch website of the RIVM, that is the equivalent of the CDC, I read that Remdesivir is the only medicine of which is proven that it helps curing Covid. I couldn’t believe my eyes. I also know that all military bases in Europe are under direct US-command. We have no saying in what happens on a military level. In my book that’s called occupation. I also know that eighter in Europe or in the US, it doesn’t matter if right or left is in office. You as a citizen only have the choice to pay them the right- or the left way. That is why I am a-political. I do not vote because of that.

What I find the most dangerous is what you wrote: “And then the left goes crazy, decides that trmp is the devil incarnate so anything he says is WRONG WRONG WRONG, ie: HCQ insanity, etc.”. That is exactly the same attitute people have over here. When I tell people that HCQ actually really works, they look at me as if I am a moron and they ask me if I then also believe that injecting bleach works. There is no room for nuance.

Knowing what the arguments are of people that vote for Trump, helps me to create a picture in my head that has this nuance (for me) because I only want to percieve. Not judge.

  • Sat, Oct 10, 2020 - 02:18am

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Hi Dave,

I a healthy democracy you have Trias Politica (separation of powers) with a separation between the legislative branch, the executive branch and judicial power. And next to that a free and independent journalism to keep the people informed so they can form a balanced opinion and so on… The reason for Trias Politica is to balance power where the will of The People does not per se prevail, nor the will of individuals.

Most dictators came to power by elections, but that happened in a society that did not have this separation.

That separation does not seem to exist anymore anywhere in the world. All four of them are aligned in such way that it always benefits the elites, what makes me draw the conclusion that it are the elites that control all four of them. Worldwide.

This makes our society feudal where all four powers are in the hands of a few. We, The People, are just serfs to obey and pay taxes. Where this will end? I don’t know. In most cases collapse will end in anarchy, where anarchy first evolves in tribal groups. I hope my tribal group will have the Prosper-mindset.

 

(edit after re-reading): Let’s assume that a president would fire his generals in a healty Trias Politica-situation. Then these generals could go to court and a judge could say that this lay-off was injust because of law-blabla. Then the people could decide to vote for a gouvernment that changes the law-blabla, and so on. That is how a democracy should function)

  • Sat, Oct 10, 2020 - 04:23am

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@Prep101 :

Thanks for this great video!

  • Sun, Oct 11, 2020 - 07:44am

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    Understanding mind-control and the anti-human false narrative

The key concept to understand is that the MSM is a weapon used against humanity, not just Trump. They are the #1 most powerful weapon as it allows them to control the most valuable resource on the planet: The Narrative. Watch for yourself how it’s all centrally controlled:

As you can see, the MSM are A SINGLE SOURCE, not many different sources.

And that’s why 99% of what NPCs (MSM believers) believe about Trump is completely false. The MSM corporate legacy disinformation machine would never ever show you this:

While at the same time they cover up Biden’s dementia…

… and even child molesting proclivities:

If this doesn’t ENRAGE you, what would?

Here’s an example of what happens when you blindly and foolishly believe the false narrative mind-control program from this dangerous cabal/criminal network:

@Peggy
Our troops are still fighting all over the place, we’ve betrayed our allies, the trade war with China cost countless Americans a whole whole lot, ie: small farms that’d been in a families for generations went bankrupt, prices have gone up across the board, the wealth gap has never been greater (a revolution sized wealth gap); 25% of Americans – the lowest income group are about to be on the street and can’t afford food to eat cause of the economy and the pandemic… trmp (who NYers knew full well way before he went into TV or politics, I’m a NYer) has stiffed people all over the place, fomented incredible division, supported right wing terrorism… the list goes on… he’s trying to steal an election, the AG is his tool and does whatever he wants, as well as a good portion of the GOP senate (who hate him but are so venal they toady up to him cause if they don’t he’ll turn his base against them and they’re out of power) so as of now we’re fast on our way to a dictatorship (he’s trying to jail his political enemies, the proud boys are the new brownshirts) he’s selling our land out to big oil and mining corporations, destroying the environment… and the lies. The f*cking lies.

Almost every single thing you said is ridiculous lies, in most cases pure projection (they are doing it while accusing Trump/us/you of doing it). Just as a starter, and because it’s hilarious, check who the leader of the Proud Boys “white supremacist group” is… a black latino! The “f*cking lies” that you’re fully and completely uncritically swallowing, THAT’s what is astonishing!

You believe the Russian collusion hoax, the most ridiculous and pathetic conspiracy theory in modern history, while you accuse others of being foolish conspiracy theorists… truly shocking. It’s obvious exactly where you’re getting your (dis)information from. The ideology they have implanted in your mind is highly damaging to yourself and others. You let them control your mind to your own detriment.

thc0655’s image is very apropos indeed:

  • Sun, Oct 11, 2020 - 03:20pm

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This ebook might help and has a little on Trump….

The Human Reality Matrix

The Human Reality Matrix

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D-zuwq4ww7L72g1e72JILjQU9OPUWZAG/view?usp=sharing

Introduction

This is a book describing the transition of human consciousness and civilization as we approach the ‘bottle neck’ of exponential growth of an industrial civilization upon a finite planet with all its associated stress points like peak oil, technological tyranny, climate change, alien agendas and new world orders.

The main point is the primacy of consciousness which is common to every human and how this is a variable which is normally distributed within the population and how the whole curve can rise or fall as a collective. From normal waking consciousness it can increase towards enlightenment and also be suppressed and controlled towards deep sleep and how there is a similar increase from sleep to normal as the change from normal to enlightenment. It can literally be like waking from sleep when a person shifts from normal consciousness into an awakened state and how with a logical transition of civilization this enlightened state could become the normal state of consciousness shared by humanity.

Within consciousness there is duality and the freedom to cocreate with love or fear, punishment or healing, judgement or understanding, freedom or control, free will or determinism, God or atheism. Beyond that there are uncommon anecdotal experiences which are alien or involve uncommon changes in consciousness which are not practical to be shared by everyone however by sticking to basic scientific first principles they should be able to be appreciated without having to go through the trauma these experiences often entail.

There is clearly a deterministic view of reality and an associated negative timeline leading to the fall of civilization however there is also an intervention process to help humanity towards a successful transition. This intervention process on some level involves consciousness and intelligence which is not local to this present time space dimension and this ebook is part of that intervention process and would not have been created otherwise. Therefore by reading this ebook and similar materials that are part of this intervention you have the potential to shift your consciousness from its underlying deterministic path or timeline. It remains largely unedited as the text can carry energy or consciousness and was written over many years in a difficult transition process of a human psyche involving a variety of elements deep within the collective consciousness.

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