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  • Thu, Jun 18, 2009 - 05:16am

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    Hedging with Solar Energy.

http://americansolareconomy.blogspot.com/2009/03/for-survivalists-how-much-gasoline-is.html

 

Just thought that this calculation might be of interest to some in this group.  I see alot about hedging with Gold, and that’s great.  On the other hand, Energy being my obsession, I like to support the idea of hedging with Solar (or generally distributed Energy Production).  So, linked, is a comparison between the energy content of a gallon of gas, vs a typical solar panel. 

In any case, as far as a hedge, I’d put Solar right up there with Gold.  It might float around as far as immediate profitability is concerned for quite some time, but the time that it REALLY can pay off is when the bigger picture starts looking really ugly.  For instance, if the dollar collapses, then imported energy starts looking real expensive.

Remember, there is NO Economy without Energy.

  • Fri, Jun 19, 2009 - 12:25am

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    Re: Hedging with Solar Energy.

The wealthiest people I know are doing this, I think you are right on!

  • Fri, Jun 19, 2009 - 02:54pm

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    Re: Hedging with . . . .

I agree to the extent that "powering down" is also a hedge against inflation, hyper-population growth, economic swings and end of cheap energy. Conserving erengy is still the best hedge against price flucuations. Insulate your house and power it down before buying alternative powers.

More hedges include:  gardening your little heart out, getting a good bike, plant no mowing grass, adding birds, rabibits and goats to your "family unit", wind, hydro-power and everything else solar (hot water, siphoning heat designs, greenhouses for growing food).  On the money side- foreign currancy, precious metals and a home business (or 2) to deduct.

These aren’t just emergency items to have – they should be a part of your daily life.

EGP

  • Fri, Jun 19, 2009 - 09:03pm

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    Re: Hedging with Solar Energy.

I’m waiting for that money to start flowing.  🙂

  • Fri, Jun 19, 2009 - 09:32pm

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    Re: Hedging with Solar Energy.

Yeah – sales of everything just dried up. . . Guess we’re going with the back up plan C – grow our own $ and sell road-side or farmer’s markets. . . .guess that’s a hedge against inflation too.

I think the coolest farmer’s market produce I have ever seen was a guy selling red claw crayfish:

Red Claw -- Fresh water Lobster Size Crayfish

These Lobster Size Fresh water Crayfish grow in tight kiddie size pool, eat grass and scraps and I saw one pool with a floating styrofoam with plant’s roots. Maybe even solar heated – that would be cool.

I’ll go post them on the permaculture thread  . . if I can find it . . .

EGP (Eating Great Produce) . .

  • Tue, Jul 20, 2010 - 12:52pm

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I like to support the idea of hedging with Solar (or generally distributed Energy Production).  So, linked, is a comparison between the energy content of a gallon of gas, vs a typical solar panel. 

In any case, as far as a hedge, I’d put Solar right up there with Gold.  It might float around as far as immediate profitability is concerned for quite some time, but the time that it REALLY can pay off is when the bigger picture starts looking really ugly.  For instance, if the dollar collapses, then imported energy starts looking real expensive.

Remember, there is NO Economy without Energy.

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Yeah it is true.. but if we never have the resonsibility of saving energy then there is no point in generating energy.. as we can’t take evry thing for granted!!

 

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  • Wed, Sep 01, 2010 - 04:33am

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HI,

I also  agree to the extent that “powering down” is also a hedge against inflation, hyper-population growth, economic swings and end of cheap energy. Conserving erengy is still the best hedge against price flucuations. Insulate your house and power it down before buying alternative powers.

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  • Wed, Sep 01, 2010 - 08:48pm

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    Re: Hedging with Solar Energy.

[quote=ytterbius]

Energy being my obsession, I like to support the idea of hedging with Solar (or generally distributed Energy Production).  So, linked, is a comparison between the energy content of a gallon of gas, vs a typical solar panel. 

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You’d be preaching to the choir at my house.

( 3.1kw solar, twin Outback inverters, 1200amp/hr battery backup )

 

And comparing solar to gallons of gasoline is ok, I guess….but it’s a WHOLE lot better just to have actual gasoline ( and diesel, and kerosene, and lube oils, etc ) since most vehicles don’t run electrically.

and wood:

(3 cord sheds under construction)

 

Hey, propane is handy too !

(Pair of 500 gal tanks to go with the 500 gal underground just to the right of them )

 

And, of course, as mentioned, conservation is the start.  Built our house with lots of internal mass, and 2×10 walls.  It’s 92 degrees outside today, and 74 inside with no AC running.  Winter time, a small woodstove heats 2200sqft.

 

 

 

  • Wed, Sep 01, 2010 - 09:12pm

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TN

I really like your woodsheds.  The “woodchuck” types here in upsate NY thrive on that kind of stuff.  I assume you’re in Tennessee.

Brian

  • Wed, Sep 01, 2010 - 09:47pm

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Thanks Brian.  Yes, Tennessee….former State of Franklin Smile

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