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  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 01:49am

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    Hawaii

We have family that lives in Hawaii on the Big Island, in a nice rural, farming area.  They are originally from California.   I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts as whether that part of the world would be a good place, or not, to be in these coming years.

Thank you for any feedback!

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  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 02:25am

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    Re: Hawaii

Elsur.  I have some friends that live on the Big Island of Hawaii and I was considering the possibility of moving there.  I checked the population density of the Big Island and discovered that it was less than that of the state of Vermont (which is a pretty rural state).  I live in NY state about thirty minutes from Vermont.  The only thing Im not sure about the Big Island is what percentage of it is volcanic rock (meaning non-arable land).  

There certainly is an allure to the Big Island.  Good weather, plenty of fishing available, plenty of rain water (although there are arid portions of the island), and low population density.  Will there be a mass migration of people from the smaller, more densely populated islands to to Big Island?  Will Hawaii eventually become a procterorate of China or Japan when the US falters? who knows?  When peak oil hits hard, will Hawaii be more drastically cut off from goods and services?

Lots of variables but overall doesn’t seem like a bad option to me especially if you already have some established roots there.  If you live in Southern California, I personally would definitely opt for the Big Island.

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    Re: Hawaii

I always thought that if I had to live off the land in the simplest way possible with the least technology, the Waipio Valley on the Big Island would be the easiest place to survive.  The ocean is right there for seafood, the freshwater streams have fish, there are feral pigs and goats, there are an abundance of fruit trees, crops grow easily, etc.  Of course, you would have to think about the possibility of a tsunami in that narrow valley.;-)  I liked the Big Island but I didn’t like the sulfur smell from the volcano that can permeate much of the island.  One of the biggest cattle ranches in the world is there as well so it’s not likely be a place you’d starve.  The only problem is, I would expect imported goods to become increasingly more expensive there.

  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 03:00am

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    Re: Hawaii

Dig a little deeper about logistics before you leap. Last time I lived there, I could not keep a productive vegetable garden because the fruit flies would ruin the fruit like tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc.  Mongoose ate my chickens and were very good at getting into hen houses. Greens that like cool weather do poorly there.

It truly IS island living. For example, the local store would run out of fresh foods when there was a disruption in supply boats such as due to a storm at sea.  You have to be prepared to be self sufficient with the local resources and adapt your diet and lifestyle to what does well there.

Oh, did I mention food and fuel are really expensive?

Temperate North American lifestyles do not necessarily transplant intact.

  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 03:13am

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    Re: Hawaii

There has been a drought on Hawaii (big island) this year, which I imagine related to the Northern plains where beef cattle are raised and the Eastern coast which is known for its coffee. Both products are suffering. The West coast, I presume, will still have received plenty of rain.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=9836750

I see no reason why the Hawaiian Islands should not be self sufficient for food, although I understand that a lot of food is imported while cash crops account for substantial agricultural exports of coffee, macademia nuts, sugar, fresh pineapple and flowers.

If I had family in Hawaii and was able to find work there I’d not hesitate. The climate is practically ideal year round (no heating or A/C needed) and the growing season is year long. I know you can get 3 corn crops a year as corn breeders have used Hawaii for genetic research.

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    Exponential Stink-Eye?

Depending where you settle: an economic crisis could morph the local ‘stink-eye’ into something much more serious for a houle, especially from this guy:





  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 05:12pm

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    Re: Hawaii

Thank you for all the comments – I really appreciate the sense of community here at CM!

 

Sometimes I have questions or concerns about Hawaii being vulnerable to other nations seeing the place as a potenial strategic holding as Bluestone referred to, the haole situation that Jag mentioned (LOL at the video!), or an increase in the significant military presence that is already there, if a large-scale war were to break out. 

 

If anyone has heard any mutterings about any of the above, or anything else, please do let us know!

 

Thanks again!

Elsur

  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 05:41pm

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    Re: Hawaii

Which US states does this CM community think will be among the best and worst places to be when the effect of peak oil happens?

I’m in Southern California and with virtually no rain, no fresh water close by, no well and a high population density it can’t hardly be worse.

Thanks

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  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 06:11pm

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    Re: Hawaii

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Which US states does this CM community think will be among the best and worst places to be when the effect of peak oil happens?

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Hey Fred —

There are many opinions within the CM community about this. I’m in upstate-ish NY (Mid-Hudson valley, 100 mi. N of NYC) and feel pretty good about the locale as far as sustainable living should the modern just-in-time economy fall down go boom.  Plenty of decent-to-good farmland (although you’d have to use greenhouses/hoop houses to help lengthen the growing season), plenty of water/rainfall, a pretty sizeable community of people who Get It (my wife & I took a food fermentation class [kombucha, kimchi, sauerkraut, etc.] this past weekend, organized by a friend), and I think the cold Winters will actually play in our favor since most folks will be discouraged from re-settling here should the SHTF.

Other folks think the Carolinas are post-peak heaven.  YMMV.

Viva — Sager

  • Mon, Oct 18, 2010 - 09:12pm

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    Re: Hawaii

It seems to me that Americans are not going to slip away in the dark when oil goes through the roof.  The first Bush said it, “The American way of life is not negotiable.”  I fully expect some kind of force to be sure we have the oil we want.  The first resource war was Iraq.

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