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  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 07:35am

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    Re: Having trouble maintaining my humanity

OK, I want to drop the whining about farming, it wasn’t the point of this thread. 

I dunno about the rest of this board, but the loss of trust isn’t just with the financial system, or my govt, its infected how I see everyone.  I sense correctly or incorrectly the edges fraying into people’s everyday lives.  I find myself second guessing everyone.  Generally its the people I exchange goods and services for money with, both as a buyer and seller.  I keep wondering, is that person doing allright?  How will that person behave when and if that person becomes desparate?  Employees, contractors, customers, etc…

Sure I have tried to discuss the CC with others; 99% of the time I am ignored.  So I just say %$^& ’em?  Its that simple?

Wow, what a way to conduct yourself.  That stupid bubble wasn’t so bad, when the funny money made everyone feel good.  Some replies seem to advise "Too bad, welcome to dog-eat-dog!"  That’s what we have to look forward to?  Sure, I probably do fine, I’m built for it, but at the same time my yin flips to yang and at times feel a real sense of loss.       

 

 

 

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 01:24pm

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I dunno about the rest of this board, but the loss of trust isn’t just with the financial system, or my govt, its infected how I see everyone.  I sense correctly or incorrectly the edges fraying into people’s everyday lives.  I find myself second guessing everyone.  Generally its the people I exchange goods and services for money with, both as a buyer and seller.  I keep wondering, is that person doing allright?  How will that person behave when and if that person becomes desparate?  Employees, contractors, customers, etc…

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Yeah, I can completely relate to that thought because I used to think about it too. I’ve also heard stories from people where communal riots break-out. Now, that was just communal – we’re talking about food and survival. I wonder how nasty things can get.

But then… I feel it is something we can only do so much about (ex: self-protection, security, surveillance, etc.,). Essentially, its a matter of survival and I’m not looking at this as a serious thing. It will be a tide to pass through, but I’m confident things will stabilise very soon into an evolutionarily stable strategy. Conflict is always expensive … unless of course, resources are very scarce. I feel we will find clever ways of reclaiming everything. Like I said in another thread – think about how much metal is there above-ground – all those war machines that are just dead weight because we couldn’t make them run on any other source of energy. IC engines are designed for one purpose – to burn a liquid fuel with specific characteristics – these will be a lot of metal to begin with.

Above all… We’re social animals… and I’m hopeful that it will favour sharing of roles and resolving conflict using resources at hand will be the norm than fighting for everything. There is enough still on earth. Its not like we have nothing to start with.

 

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 02:01pm

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I see the future as different, not necessarily worse.  Yes the transition will be a challenge.  But change is inevitable anyway, economics aside.

I believe I have more trouble maintaining my "humanity" in our current system of shopping, overconsumption, and complication. I speculate this will not actually be a "normal" life when viewed in the grander time scale of human evolution.

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 02:03pm

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Hi Plant,

I think a lot of people here are trying to find a connection with you to make you feel better and thats just the way we are. You’re never going to feel quite the same again – you can’t un-learn what you now know?

My writing style changes dependant on my frame of mind here, I can spot it from day to day as, I write here day to day. My patience with some people just runs either a riot-bludgeon-murder-kill, or harmony-altruism-care-consideration; take your pick of the spectrum, it’s within us all.

Before I left England last September, I spent an endless amount of time trying to turn people on to what was happening. It amazed me how their eyes would glaze over. Dependent upon my own personal "Faze", I could happily go for the throat of the nearest idiot to hand when they gave their take on what they thought of what I was telling them. "Your f*cking life is going to change markedly, don’t you f*cking get it!!!", was one memorable encounter I’d really like to forget. Those same people are only just recently telling me their personal fears and concerns of the coming financial meltdown, but are they asking me about CM.com? I spend a year or more covering heavily on topics such as global climate change, population and peak oil, roughly 8 hours a day accounts for an awful lot of hours; so much knowledge leak with all those hours of study yet, within 5 minutes of even one of my most careful and psychologically mirroring approaches to these vital subjects – in conversation, the subject matter is changed from the sublime to the fantastic, "Would you like a coffee with that donut…?"

 

…and we watch the crowds of happy shoppers dawdling within simplistic little easy-going worlds, bumbling aimlessly from one rootlless task to the next; in the bloody way of your arrow-straight and driven moves among the crowds with your mind peaking with "there’s-only-so-much-time, gotta-get-things-done-before… "

Yep, ain’t society grand? But it is that ‘Can Do’ optimism thats been driven along with oil, blinding the conscience from reality. I liked Richard Heinberg on his take in the book ‘The Party’s Over’, where he stated that he could be sat for 10 hours straight (I do this!) at his computer where reality is unravelling page from page, then, he goes out and joins the human race with their take on reality. To me it feels a bit like :-

They Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lwlx3GnLGs

…totally unreal!!!

My thoughts are that ‘Critical Thinking’ has become something ‘Someone Else’ is supposed to do. What a sharp awakening for them this is going to be.

I remember sitting on a bench in a park with tears in my eyes watching children happily playing, with their ‘Mothers Meeting’ on another park bench accross from me, talking about the day to day trivialities of, "He-Said-She-Said-And-He-Did-Though-You-Know", and I almost at that moment wanted to walk over and straight out tell them everything in clear cut glass exactly what the true answer was. You would’ve liked that wouldn’t you, to march over and begin a discussion like a raving looney in the park. What would the outcome have been? It would have become a brand new topic for them to disect; probably for simply weeks!! "Remember that crazy guy that told us that plastic is made from oil and how 48% of Britains food is imported on the back of depleating North Sea oil reserves and…", they still wouldn’t make the connection; maybe 1 in a hundred as you say – takes a lot to draw out that much breath doesn’t it?

Let me say it straight. In my thinking, you’ve a head start. Others will catch on sooner or later. As the housing bubble has popped and ever deflates, many of the people who are loosing there homes and jobs are as a collective. They lean on eachother and it reduces the burden. I think many will learn a great deal from you very soon, and your worth of knowledge will be a dominent factor in supporting the ‘Newbies’. The responsibility of that will most likely throw a whole new set of feelings into the mix and, I hope the internet is still running when your next thread appears called, "F*ck, All These People Think I’ve Got All The Answers!!!

Truthfully, I don’t think I’m even close to how you feel right now, most of the others have covered plenty of the bases here and this is just my personal take on things…

Good Luck Anyhow,

Paul

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 02:36pm

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Sure I have tried to discuss the CC with others; 99% of the time I am ignored.  So I just say %$^& ’em?  Its that simple?

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That’s definitely not my approach.  Patience, compassion and understanding for oursevles and those we are educating about these issues is paramount.  I can’t emphasize that enough.  The truth is that most people are not even aware of 1% of what is discussed on this site.  Once informed, they will likely go straight into denial.  That is just human nature.  

The most important question is "what happens next?"  As a friend or family member or concerned citizen, you can certainly help them to move through the Six Stages of Awareness outlined by Chris.  You can provide information, emotional support and practical help when they are needed.  But ultimately, as I’m sure you’re aware, the ball is in their court.  If they are intent on putting their head in the sand and continuing with "business as usual", there’s very little you will be able to do IMO.

Since I have a limited amount of time and energy, I’ve decided to focus my efforts on those who are at least somewhat receptive to hearing about this stuff and open to change.  I trust that over time, as the number of people aware of the Three Es increases, it will begin to permeate the collective consciousness and all of a sudden even the most vehement skeptics and naysayers will start paying attention.

In fact, that’s already started to happen.  I’ve noticed a huge shift in public awareness and receptivity in just the past six months.  Peak oil and the potential of an economic crash were fringe subjects a few years ago.  Nearly everyone is aware of them – and talking about them – now.  

So for now, perhaps you focus on that 1% who doesn’t ignore you and have faith that the 99% will come along soon – either willingly or unwillingly.  Change is threatening for most people.  But humans are very adaptable and we’re capable of it once we recognize its necessity.

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 03:46pm

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Let me say it straight. In my thinking, you’ve a head start. Others will catch on sooner or later. As the housing bubble has popped and ever deflates, many of the people who are loosing there homes and jobs are as a collective. They lean on eachother and it reduces the burden. I think many will learn a great deal from you very soon, and your worth of knowledge will be a dominent factor in supporting the ‘Newbies’. The responsibility of that will most likely throw a whole new set of feelings into the mix and, I hope the internet is still running when your next thread appears called, "F*ck, All These People Think I’ve Got All The Answers!!!

Truthfully, I don’t think I’m even close to how you feel right now, most of the others have covered plenty of the bases here and this is just my personal take on things…

Good Luck Anyhow,

Paul

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You are beginning the process of exiting the pro-State fallacies that you have been Skinner-boxed into from the cradle.  It is a very traumatic experience – I know…I am personally living it.  Your whole indoctrinated value system is being turned on its head.  Thanks to the Internet, members of The Remnant are no longer isolated and can congregate to share thought – as long as the Internet cannot be regulated (suppressed) by the State.

Sometimes I wonder if human beings were split into sub-species for whatever reason.  Those who can, those who can’t, and those where it is sleeping.

I believe the greatest community killer is the State itself.  Most people think they have fulfilled their obligation to society by scratching a few marks on an income tax return and flipping it back to the State.  The State will take care of the poor.  The State will ensure they are fed.  As we have been conditioned to rely on the State to take care of others, we become increasingly spiritually isolated and distrusting of each other.  People can live side my side in an apartment building for 15 years, and never know their neighbour.  We buy an enormous amount of technological "bling" to entertain us without leaving the house.

Consider this.  Pretend for a moment there were no safety nets provided by the State (welfare, education, food stamps etc).  Let’s also consider that there was very little to no taxation.  If you got to keep MORE of your money, would you be more inclined to help others or less?  If you got to keep more of your money, you would have a new surplus of time to spend as you see fit.  Would you more inclined to spend on charity, or less?  Would you be inclined to volunteer more time to your local community or less?  Yes, I am fully aware that some would NEVER help.  Yet charities still flourish.  I heard that in Canada, we have about 38,000 registered charities, even with State extortion (taxation) in place.  Such is the soul-killing logic of the State.

  • Wed, Feb 18, 2009 - 04:55pm

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Some days, I am guilty of being the same person in the store you probably want to kill with a look. 🙂 It’s just human nature,. When I first watched the presentation (all-at-once), I was absorbed for days. I couldn’t think about anything else but how the sky was falling and how we needed to fundementally change how we lived and what we do *right now*. Nothing has changed. I still believe that we need to make changes. I have seeds to start growing and instructions for making a hydroponic growing unit. If I get to keep my house (I’m in the clutches of the self-employed who borrowed on their home w/ an ARM and now can’t re-fi because I have no W-2) I want to get a rain barrel and setup composting bins.

I think as others have said, you keep your humanity by realizing that you are doing what you can, and so are others. Also, realize that there are those of us out there who are still moving through the stages and trying to work within the confines of what we are given to prepare. I’d love to say I have a solid home w/ a mortgage I can afford and a good job that allows me to dabble on the side learning a different trade. In reality, what I do have is a house I am underwater in, a family LLC that revolves around technology and somewhat ‘luxury’ consumer goods (home theater, etc), a Type-1 diabetic 3yo and on top of it all, I am just ‘waking-up’ after a very long depression, thanks to medication and therapy.

So, don’t give the sheep in the stores too much grief. We’re all dealing with this the best way we can to preserve our own sanity and humanity.  

  • Thu, Feb 19, 2009 - 02:20am

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Hi zafra,

I promise, I haven’t given up talking to people, that is why I’m here, posting threads and writing on other threads. I write on other sites too, writing to people, opening avenues; lots of people from all walks of life from the bottom of the heap to the top of the pile; each and every one a story to tell of the lives they’ve lead, where they were in themselves when they found out and what forward steps or backward steps they are taking with their future.

I’ve been there, where you are now with friends and family. Before I left to go abroad I gave my car away to a friend and left some money with her and her husband to make ends meet and I’m only writing this now in a sense to alley the idea I’ve instilled in you that I do truly give a damn. A lot of frustrated people writing back to me, sharing the pain of trying to wake the family up from the social day-dream that they refuse to shatter even with reality staring them in the face. Friends with Type-1 diabetic husbands and daughters with autism complete with digestive issues that need carrying everywhere like cotton-wool while the house around them forecloses.

With all these people, the numbing and undefendable reality that there are people a house or two away with the means to help and support them but believe in the bitterest sense that ‘The Government’ can look after the problem so they don’t have to get up close and involved – it’s all a bloody trap isn’t it?

It is the conditioning of a lifetime of gained independance where the individual can defend him/herself admirably when the world around them is in boom-time. They don’t need for another because it is easy to support the lifestyle in as selfish a way as the imagination can muster up for its own fickle amusement. Lots of toys and a car with empty seats driving past a bus-stop in the rain filled with a line of soaked people that would have made the journey that much richer if they’d been offered to share the ride.

Hitch-hikers, I’ve been one and know the perrils of the waiting time for the next chance lift in a fearful society with too much wealth to protect to make the sacrifice. Believe me, it doesn’t stop me from opening the door to a stranger and even going out of my way to help and I’ve never ever had a bad experience from it because I’m instantly empathising with why they are there and doing what they are doing.

I’m a people watcher and always have been from what family talked of my baby buggy rides. I advise many to take a day out of their lives and get on a train to a major city nearby without any money and just a bottle of water in your pocket. You have no food and your return journey must be 14 hours between the time you arrived and the time you leave. What ever you do, don’t dress smart so as to ‘Blend In’. Now watch and watch close…I’ve done this all over the world and my memories of Sydney Australia are haunting. Aborigines everywhere subsisting on very little with the white westerners not so much as giving them a glance; they are invisible to the human eye but not to a hungry visitor with only bottled water and a return ticket from where they came.

The places and sense of feeling I’m trying to project is where the social depression of a lifetime of being ignored is, with only dignity left to protect it. The very illness society has had bestowed, by Statism and for all it stands for. 

Get connected to as many people as you can, be honest with yourself about yourself and build a network of people around from now and from today. You simply must realise how much you’re needed and how important you are.

Take Care,

Paul

  • Thu, Feb 19, 2009 - 05:17am

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You buggar !  I was catching up on all the posts I have missed – read your previous post – which was a great read BTW but got stuck at that blimmin Utube video.  Watched it and thought it looked interesting so ended up watching the whole rest of the movie for the next hour ! 

Great movie although I had allocated the time to do other things !  Now to continue catching up on the Chris Martenson posts …. !

But I do like the analogy between the movie and our present life.

  • Thu, Feb 19, 2009 - 05:36pm

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Amanda,

it’s a plot hatched and a dastardly plan of mine to detract you from reality!!!Cool

Whilst you’re here, a while ago you told Mike(DamnThe Matrix) that you’d finally decided to get on down to your local video store and rent ‘The Matrix’. I never did find out what you thought of it? To me it was surprising that a film making such a powerful metaphor for modern society (Battery power/taxes?) was viewed more as an action film. It proved something to me at the time that people didn’t know they weren’t free anymore – yeah, a bit deep…

I’ll just have to keep provoking you with You Tube titbits in and around threads heyWink

Take Care,

Paul

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