Guyenot: Who are the Neocons?
No, our goal should be to root them out and kill them. Before they kill my children.
There, enough said.
Nope, they haven't. On my planet, it takes more than assumption, speculation and innuendo to connect dots.
If wanting verification of "a minor point" is self-righteous, then hey, I'm self-righteous as well as obdurate.
Ok, I understand now.
From wikipedia: Planet Yoxa :
A small but very dense planet in the Obdurata solar system revolves around a single point. Vision from the surface is obscured by a layer of smoke that prevents inhabitants from seeing the larger picture
Inhabitants are known to be stubborn, enjoy 80's hair bands and eat M&M's
[quote] Inhabitants are known to be stubborn, enjoy 80's hair bands and eat M&M's [/quote]
That's one part fact, two parts speculation.
Symbolic of this whole topic, methinks.
well played sir!
What about this ?
Does this mean that they are, in fact, atheists, but prepared to stay within their religion because of the psychological levers it offers ?
I read the article you linked above with interest. I also was wondering about whether the religious myths were really believed by the highest level of the Zionist / Neocon thinkers.
Strauss described 3 levels of people:
- the philosopher, who was an elite superior person who was designed to rule,
- the gentlemen, who could be motivated by patriotism and religion to run off and fight wars, and
- the vulgar, (masses) who were only interested in crude comforts.
One of the big questions in my mind is would the elite "philosopher" believe a religious mythology? From all that I can gather the answer is absolutely not. Leo Strauss felt that the elite "philosopher" should have no morality at all, no believe in the afterlife, no belief in God and no belief in any moral code.
Basically, morals, religion and patriotism were for sissies.
If this understanding of Strauss is correct, then the Jewish people and nation of Israel are being used by these "philosopher elites" also. Perhaps we are all being herded into actions that serve the purpose of the herder.
Suppose I envisioned myself as a pure Machiavellian master and wished to reshape the world. I would work with the natural resources available. These include 1) Judeo-Christian mythology believed by billions, and, 2) the largest military force on earth (the USA).
..except there's nothing more sissy than spending your life behind a desk reading Plato.
These look like very one dimensional characters. I don't know much about them but they hardly strike me as examples of a life being fully lived, despite their superior pretensions.
Let's say you are a Machiavellian string puller of the largest military. One aspect of military life, apart from the obvious tragedies and stupidities involved, is that it makes people physically robust and can provide extreme thrills. Neither of these are notable qualities of philosophers and their lives. A lot of them seem to be absent of any intense feeling. Or maybe they are sensitive individuals who get the same buzz from winning an argument as a paratrooper does from jumping out of planes.Who knows – nobody seems to be asking such questions. One wonders if it's the jealousy the dweeb holds for the jock, taken to extremes.
And the idea that they hold some sort of secret seems laughable too. At least in the philosophical sense. They might weave secret schemes, but pretty much all human secrets are out in the open. You can buy manuals in any bookshop to guide you to all ends of the human psyche nowadays.
Example – esoteric secrets, free, on youtube. No need for any Harvard Phd. What was Strauss teaching that was so much more profound ? Whatever it was, it's not showing when I see Wolfowitz and his ilk on my TV screen.
In an interview on a Sunday Morning News show Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld explained the command and control structure of Osama Bin Ladin in Afghanistan.
Never ever underestimate the SH*T we are being fed by our leaders as they build the myths in the minds of a gullible public.