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    Guyenot: Who are the Neocons?

Mememonkey pointed my to a 2013 essay by Laurent Guyenot, a French historian and writer on the deep state, that addresses the question of “Who Are The Neoconservatives.”  If you would like to know about that group that sends the US military into battle and tortures prisoners of war in out name, you need to know about these guys.

 

First, if you are Jewish, or are a GREEN Meme, please stop and take a deep breath.  Please put on your thinking cap and don’t react.  We are NOT disrespecting a religion, spiritual practice or a culture.  We are talking about a radical and very destructive group hidden within a culture and using that culture.  Christianity has similar groups and movements–the Crusades, the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, etc.
 
My personal investment:  This question has been a subject of intense interest for me since I became convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, that the Iraq war was waged for reasons entirely different from those publically stated.  I have been horrified to see such a shadowy, powerful group operating from a profoundly “pre-moral” developmental level—i.e., not based in even the most rudimentary principles of morality foundational to civilization.

 

Who the hell are these people?!
 

Goyenot’s main points (with a touch of personal editorializing):
 

1.  The American Neocons are Zionists (Their goal is expanding political / military power.  Initially this is focused on the state of Israel.)

Neoconservativism is essentially a modern right wing Jewish version of Machiavelli’s political strategy.  What characterizes the neoconservative movement is therefore not as much Judaism as a religious tradition, but rather Judiasm as a political project, i.e. Zionism, by Machiavellian means.

 

This is not a religious movement though it may use religions words and vocabulary.  It is a political and military movement.  They are not concerned with being close to God.  This is a movement to expand political and military power.  Some are Christian and Mormon, culturally.

 
Obviously , if Zionism is synonymous with patriotism in Israel, it cannot be an acceptable label in American politics, where it would mean loyalty to a foreign power.  This is why the neoconservatives do not represent themselves as Zionists on the American scene.  Yet they do not hide it all together either.

 

He points out dual-citizen (Israel / USA) members and self proclaimed Zionists throughout cabinet level positions in the US government, international banking and controlling the US military.  In private writings and occasionally in public, Neocons admit that America’s war policies are actually Israel’s war goals.  (Examples  provided.)

 

2.   Most American Jews are overwhelmingly liberal and do NOT share the perspective of the radical Zionists.

 

The neoconservative movement, which is generally perceived as a radical (rather than “conservative”) Republican right, is, in reality, an intellectual movement born in the late 1960s in the pages of the monthly magazine Commentary, a media arm of the American Jewish Committee, which had replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945. The Forward, the oldest American Jewish weekly, wrote in a January 6th, 2006 article signed Gal Beckerman: “If there is an intellectual movement in America to whose invention Jews can lay sole claim, neoconservatism is it. It’s a thought one imagines most American Jews, overwhelmingly liberal, will find horrifying. And yet it is a fact that as a political philosophy, neoconservatism was born among the children of Jewish immigrants and is now largely the intellectual domain of those immigrants’ grandchildren”.

 

3.   Intellectual Basis and Moral developmental level

 

Goyenot traces the Neocon’s origins through its influential writers and thinkers.  Highest on the list is Leo Strauss.  (Neocons are sometimes called “the Straussians.”)  Leo Strauss is a great admirer of Machiavelli with his utter contempt for restraining moral principles making him “uniquely effective,” and, “the ideal patriot.”  He gushes over Machiavelli praising the intrepidity of his thought, the grandeur of his vision, and the graceful subtlety of his speech.

 

Other major points:

 

  • believes that Truth is harmful to the common man and the social order and should be reserved for superior minds.

 

  • nations derive their strength from their myths, which are necessary for government and governance.

 

  • national myths have no necessary relationship with historical reality: they are socio-cultural constructions that the State has a duty to disseminate.

 

  • to be effective, any national myth must be based on a clear distinction between good and evil; it derives its cohesive strength from the hatred of an enemy nation.

 

  • As recognized by Abram Shulsky and Gary Schmitt in an article “Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence” (1999), for Strauss, “deception is the norm in political life” – the rule they [the Neocons] applied to fabricating the lie of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein when working inside the Office of Special Plans.

 

  • George Bushes speech from the national cathedral after 9/11 exemplifies myth-making at its finest:  “Our responsibility to history is already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of Evil. War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. . . .[W]e ask almighty God to watch over our nation, and grant us patience and resolve in all that is to come. . . . And may He always guide our country. God bless America.

 

 

4.  The Zionist/Neocons are piggy-backing onto, or utilizing, the religious myths of both the Jewish and Christian world to consolidate power.  This is brilliant Machiavellian strategy.

  • the “chosen people” myth (God likes us best, we are better than you)
  • the Holy Land myth (one area of real estate is more holy than another)
  • the second coming of Christ myth
  • the establishment of God’s Kingdom on Earth through global destruction/war (nuclear war for the Glory of God)

 

[The]Pax Judaica will come only when “all the nations shall flow” to the Jerusalem temple, from where “shall go forth the law” (Isaiah 2:1-3). This vision of a new world order with Jerusalem at its center resonates within the Likudnik and neoconservative circles. At the Jerusalem Summit, held from October 12th to 14th, 2003 in the symbolically significant King David Hotel, an alliance was forged between Zionist Jews and Evangelical Christians around a “theopolitical” project, one that would consider Israel… “the key to the harmony of civilizations”, replacing the United Nations that’s become a “a tribalized confederation hijacked by Third World dictatorships”: “Jerusalem’s spiritual and historical importance endows it with a special authority to become a center of world’s unity. […] We believe that one of the objectives of Israel’s divinely-inspired rebirth is to make it the center of the new unity of the nations, which will lead to an era of peace and prosperity, foretold by the Prophets”. Three acting Israeli ministers spoke at the summit, including Benjamin Netanyahu, and Richard Perle.

 

Jerusalem’s dream empire is expected to come through the nightmare of world war. The prophet Zechariah, often cited on Zionist forums, predicted that the Lord will fight “all nations” allied against Israel. In a single day, the whole earth will become a desert, with the exception of Jerusalem, who “shall remain aloft upon its site” (14:10).

 

With more than 50 millions members, Christians United for Israel is a major political force in the U.S..   Its Chairman, pastor John Haggee, declared: “The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West, […] a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ”.

 

And Guyenot concludes:

 

Is it possible that this biblical dream, mixed with the neo-Machiavellianism of Leo Strauss and the militarism of Likud, is what is quietly animating an exceptionally determined and organized ultra-Zionist clan? General Wesley Clark testified on numerous occasions before the cameras, that one month after September 11th, 2001 a general from the Pentagon showed him a memo from neoconservative strategists “that describes how we’re gonna take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia and Sudan and finishing off with Iran”. Is it just a coincidence that the “seven nations” doomed to be destroyed by Israel form part of the biblical myths?  …[W]hen Yahweh will deliver Israel “seven nations greater and mightier than yourself […] you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.”

 

My summary:

  • We have a group that wishes greatly expanded power (to rule the world??)
  • Among them are brilliant strategists
  • They operate unrestrained by the most basic moral principles upon which civilization is founded.  They are undisturbed by compassion for the suffering of others.
  • They use consciously and skillfully use deception and “myth-making” to shape policy
  • This is not a spiritual movement in any sense
  • They are utilizing religious myths and language to influence public thinking
  • They envision “winning” in the aftermath world war.
  • They have infiltrated the highest levels of banking, US military, NATO and US government.
     

 

 

  • Fri, Dec 11, 2015 - 07:38pm

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    Meme

Where would this group fall under the Spiral Dynamics meme model?

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2015 - 05:04am

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    Lawson Video

This video is from the piece by Guyenot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGvjbfIASA

I want to assure everyone, again, that I have friends, co-workers and relatives who are Jewish and who are clearly very very good people.  But they are GREEN Meme and ORANGE Meme Jews, not the BLUE/RED Meme level, the norm during the middle ages.

We must look at what is happening here and think deeply.

  • Sat, Dec 12, 2015 - 05:34am

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    Hagee

This gets weirder by the day. My dad used to take the family to Cornerstone Church and we would listen to Pastor Hagee every Sunday.

https://youtu.be/kP_FYfIa_iM

Starting at 0:56:

[quote]"In our lifetime we have watched the enemies of Israel attack Israel with corrupt peace treaties; Oslo accords, the Kadema treaty with the Palestinians. The next treaty that's coming down the road will be intended to divide the city of Jerusalem. Listen to me! Every Bible believing Christian in America and around the world should resist the effort to divide the city of Jerusalem. Period."

– Pastor John Hagee[/quote]

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2015 - 08:11pm

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    Michael Chertoff: Role in 9/11

Again, this is offered in great respect for the overwhelmingly decent Jewish people here at PeakProsperity, in my family, and in my work place.

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Laurent Guyenot has another piece posted at Vereran's Today where he asks: Was 9/11 and Inside Job or a Mossad Job?

The role of the Israeli Deep State in the Sept. 11th terror attacks, which have laid the foundation for the 21st century on the biggest lie in human history, is surrounded by a taboo even within the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement.

Most activists groups remain focused on the slogan “9/11 was an Inside Job”, and keep their eyes “wide shut” on the evidence incriminating the role of the Mossad.

One person's potential role was worthy of note:

Michael Chertoff, [a dual citizen of Israel and the United States], son of a rabbi and of a Mossad pioneer, was heading the Criminal Division of the Department of Justice in 2001. As such, he was responsible for the retention and destruction of all the material evidence regarding the 9/11 attacks, from the steel beams of the WTC to the video recordings at the Pentagon. He was also responsible for the quick repatriation of the “dancing Israelis”. In 2003, he was appointed Secretary of Homeland Security, in charge of counter-terrorism on the American soil, which allowed him to control dissenting citizens and restrain access to the evidence under the pretext of Sensitive Security Information.  He was a co-author of the US Patriot Act.

Thus we have a dual-citizen administering the US police state.

In another connection, Michael Chertoff's cousin, Benjamin Chertoff, was the senior researcher who produced the Popular Mechanics issue "Debunking 9/11" which was critical of the 9/11 truth movement.

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2015 - 10:07pm

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    Dual citizen?

[quote] a dual citizen of Israel and the United States [/quote]

Please provide a credible source for that claim. I tried to look it up and couldn't find anything to support it.

  • Sun, Dec 13, 2015 - 11:21pm

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    Citizenship by descent

[quote=Yoxa]

[quote] a dual citizen of Israel and the United States [/quote]

Please provide a credible source for that claim. I tried to look it up and couldn't find anything to support it.

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I ordinarily wouldn't quote Wikipedia as a reliable source however, this particular statement is factual.

Citizenship by descent

A child of an Israeli citizen (including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel) is considered an Israeli citizen. Persons born outside Israel are Israeli citizens if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship, acquired either by birth in Israel, according to the Law of Return, by residence, or by naturalization.[2]

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Michael Chertoff's mother is an Israeli citizen and a famous one at that. 

similar scenario with Rahm Emanual who's citizenship is a function of his Father's

 

mememonkey

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2015 - 06:30am

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    Article from Commentary

How the GOP Went Zionist (Commentary)

[quote]The movement to isolate Israel may be in full swing on college campuses across the country, and Israel may be the subject of ever-louder international denunciations, but when it comes to a Republican Party riven by squabbles, the Jewish state has become a unifying glue.

Support for Israel is all but unanimous among the party’s politicians in Washington, and in the presidential race, candidates vie to outdo one another when it comes to expressing their commitment to it; even the isolationist presidential candidate Rand Paul has gone to great pains to attempt to establish his pro-Israel bona fides.[/quote]

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2015 - 09:26am

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    To question 9/11

in the UK, you are branded anti Semitic by many! WTF!

Even David Scameron falsely claims that 9/11 truthers are spreading lies that the event was a Jewish plot!

I wore my latest custom made tee shirt, which is a direct swipe at Bushes infamous axis of evil speech(NWO axis of evil USA, UK & Israel. 9/11 and 7/7 false flag terror attacks!)  on the esplanade of Edinburgh Castle last summer at a TTIP demonstration.

One of the security goons staff, told me that my tee shirt would be offensive to Israeli tourists and I was ordered to leave otherwise the police would be called! There was no consideration at all for the possible offense  that could be caused to the sheeple  citizens of the UK or USA, even though they outnumbered the  Israelis by 1000s at that venue!

Famous quote that I find very applicable, was it Oscar Wilde?

"If you are going to tell people the truth, you better be prepared to make them laugh, otherwise they might kill you!"

Thanks to Sand Puppy for starting this thread.

  • Mon, Dec 14, 2015 - 03:45pm

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    Not verified

[quote] Persons born outside Israel are Israeli citizens if their father or mother holds Israeli citizenship [/quote]

That doesn't tell me whether Chertoff has dual citizenship -now-. Many people relinquish dual citizenship when they take positions in the government so what's his status now?

Give me a credible source, please.

Another thought: even if someone has dual citizenship because of a parent, it's a knee-jerk assumption to think that makes them less loyal to the country where they were born and raised. Inferences to that effect need to be backed up by a lot more than hearsay evidence, assumptions and speculation, which is all I've seen so far.

 

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