Gulf Oil Spill Reaches Land

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  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 05:55pm

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This is my very first time to post.  I must say I respect and enjoy all the colleagues that have enlightened me through this wonderful web site.  Though I may not be as enlightened as some of the very articulate, your posts have paved a wonderful way to follow.

I will say that I am closer to the Gulf Oil spil than I want to be.  I lost a very close friend that was killed while trying to prevent this horrific catastrophe.  He was on the rig rig floor the night the well “blew out.”  To me, he was a hero and knew that his life and the life of his colleagues and the life of the Gulf of Mexico was partly in his hands that fateful night.  As with many who died, he did his duty in the most noblest of ways.  They are all heroes to me.

With that said, I repsond to V with a heavy heart and hope my closeness to the situation does not cloud any clarity I hope to acheive.

We are drilling in 5000′ to as high as 8000′ of water because major oil reservoirs of “new” discoveries are pretty much depleted.  The reign of “Cheap Peak Oil is Gone”.  With that revelation comes the idea that “Deep Water Venues” pose many uncalculated risks to life and environment that we heretofore have not quantified.  And while we watch the circular firing squad that is otherwise a congressional hearing, we now know that oil prices will rise in the future and will rise precipitously.

Being close enough to the situation, we know that BP had officials on the rig the night before to celebrate, ironically, a 7 year safety record for the Transocean Horizon.  The drilling of the well was complete and completion of production operations were to commence sometime in the near future.  We have heard with some degree of certainty that BP was also going to announce, within 48 hours of  the ceasing of drilling, a “legacy” reservoir with the potential of 100 million barrels of refinable crude at 13,000 below the sea floor for a total well depth of 18,000′.  As a matter of note, most deep water oil wells exist below massive salt structures in water depths of greater than 6000′ and reach a total well depth of 25,000′ to 32,000′.  The technology to reach those depths are certainly “state of the art.”

I know this does not answer your questions, but I do know that nearly everthing else is off limits to new drilling and certainly will be exacerbated by this catastrophe.  My livelihood for the last 31 years has been in the exploration industry and along the Lousiana Gulf Coast.  I am also one who believes in the sanctity of our wetland estuaries and the national need for energy reserves.  My state has just paid an enormous price for both.  However, I am willing to push on for the sake of my fellow countrymen to keep our energy resources in our hands.  That in and of itself is not a panacea.  However, the alternatives today are unacceptable.

If we stop Gulf of Mexico drilling AND production, we will see energy costs escalate beyond $150 per barrell and dollar values continue to erode.  The ultimate scenarios will play out in $6 per gallon gasoline or greater.  And to my good friends here, that is even before the Cap and Trade Legislation that is now hanging over all of our heads.

Thank you all for your concerns.  I only ask humbly to pray for our country, our leaders, and our environment. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 06:39pm

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RP

Thanks for the post.

One question as with our virgin forests what happens not only when the last tree is cut down but what happens when the last drop of oil is put in a barrel?

I imagine at some point humans if any are left will take to sailing craft and try to find some protein in the sea. I hope it is stil there. I am making no judgments on you or anyone else. I am as much to blame as anyone……………I drive a car, I use all kinds of plastic things.

I will be long gone before the scale of this tragedy is known for certain. I believe we will lose the city of New Orleans as the wetlands which protect it are disappearing rapidly. There are over 25k miles of pipeline in those wetlands. They have been channeled and dredged. THey are the last line of defense against the next and future hurricanes.

We need the oil and we need a clean planet. We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t.

What wew can do right now is support the people fighting for us. Waterkeepers is literally on the fronlines. They are volunteers they need our support and we owe it to the Gulf and ourselves. We are all part of the web of life

V

PS no further correction needed on depth of well. I used the depth of the well not the depth of the water. 

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  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 06:54pm

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Roamingpoke,

What a fantastic first post! Thanks for taking the time to give us an inside perspective on this incident. I hope you will post more….Jeff

  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 06:56pm

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Thank you for the link to the web site.

I appreciate your thoughts.

  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 07:31pm

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I am also one who believes in the sanctity of our wetland estuaries and the national need for energy reserves.  My state has just paid an enormous price for both.  However, I am willing to push on for the sake of my fellow countrymen to keep our energy resources in our hands.  That in and of itself is not a panacea.  However, the alternatives today are unacceptable.

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Sounds so realistic and rational, at first.

We must continue the status quo because they haven’t come up with a new status quo that’s sufficiently coddling?  We don’t want a status quo, if it means too few taking on too much.  Burned by that, we want a future for individuality and diverse life forms.  Reach and push must finally be in proper proportion and balance.  Using less energy helps us get there.

We’re emigrating to the solar-powered biosphere because we want to participate in creation more than in markets.  Life is an adventure in relations, not a series of purchases.

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  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 08:51pm

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I am not quite sure of the meaning of your post and forgive my naivete’ if I missed your message. The following reply is not meant to discredit your belief or belittle your cause.

One thing I learned from Dr. Mortensen is ” We can not expect the future to mirror the past.”  He is right and on many levels because of the growth of populations and therefore the natural consumption of energy of all sorts.  With that said, the United States currently gets about 1% of its total energy grid from solar and wind.  Both sources are eco-friendly but are painfully cumbersome when looking at “net energy”.

A 1000 mega-watt natural gas power generation station will consume a footprint of about 1500 acres.  The same generating capacity for a wind farm of that magnitude will consume about 75 square miles.  I think the NIMBY principle, i.e., “not in my back yard”, necessarily applies here.  I would not want to intrude on the natural beauty of the land and put a wind farm in an area where you live. Especially if I want to expropriate the energy through wires to power my state.  In fact, there are about 1 million acres of the west now closed off because of the necessary existence of “oil derricks” that intrude on that beauty.

What I am hoping for is an excercise leading to practical, clean energy.  One source of bridging that gap to the future till technology catches up is Natural Gas.  It is plentiful and abundant, but the infrastructure is not in place to serve the motoring public therefore impractical.  But, it is a quality fuel that leaves a much smaller carbon foot print that  heavy hydrocarbons, like oil, have.  It will also create the sort of “green” jobs i would like to see.  There is no simple panacea for this crisis, and may I add, a cheap one.

If our energy future is to rely on a solar biosphere, then the net energy in terms of BTU’s need to be greater.  Otherwise, I see an on going tax on consumers that transcend into government subsides to prop up these same green energies.  I do not want tthat either.  Spain tried a green economy and for every 1 green job that was created 2.2 “other” jobs were lost.  And Spain’s carbon footprint actually went up, not down.  Now, Spain is also facing “sovereign” bankruptcy because the inputs into their economy exceeded their outputs.  Now, the upkeep is going to be their downfall.

The US cannot support nor sustain this type of economy on many levels.  And I fear that we will tilt in that direction until reasonable discussions ensue.  Did I hear you correctly, sir? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 10:21pm

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You raise some good points and you mention the good Doc. THe crash course mentions the three E’s one of which is the environment. It is extremely difficult and has not been done by classical economists to calculate the environmental costs of our activity on the planet.

We are at a  point in history where it may be too late but necessary. I agree we are tied to hydrocarbons for the foreseeable future. Yet we are seEing and have seen incredible environmental destruction. Imagine if this plays out in the Gulf in a worst case scenario what the impact on all of life  and its cycles. A huge dead zone that once supplied untold benefits for this country.

You tout natural gas. That could create an even larger environmental disaster than what we are witnessing now.

As I said we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. We have crossed the Rubicon.

V

  • Wed, May 12, 2010 - 11:09pm

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I am not quite sure of the meaning of your post and forgive my naivete’ if I missed your message. The following reply is not meant to discredit your belief or belittle your cause.

The US cannot support nor sustain this type of economy on many levels.  And I fear that we will tilt in that direction until reasonable discussions ensue.  Did I hear you correctly, sir? 

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You, sir, are gracious, informed and smart.  Thank you for joining in these discussions.

My objection was and is to your apparent resignation to, if not endorsement of, energy use as we’ve known it in the USA, because it discourages thinking about our purposes, in favor of simply carrying on.  Far too much ancient sunlight goes into feeding everyone.  Far too much ancient sunlight goes into the daily shuffle of private vehicles moving commuters from hearth to workplace to hearth.  Far too much ancient sunlight goes into what amounts to avoiding ordinary relations with neighbors (of multiple species).  Far too much ancient sunlight goes into provision of stuff that people don’t expect to or even want to keep.  Far too much ancient sunlight goes into evolved abstractions that support nothing but the status quo.  As far as I can tell from your certainties about what can work, you’re alright with all that, which constitute a trap in which people are unnecessarily sick/injured, unnecessarily out of shape, unnecessarily out of touch with people who matter, unnecessarily voiceless and unnecessarily hooked on dead things.

If we choose to leave the trap, how much energy will our society require?  It will be roughly the inverse of the energy, formerly known as zest, we discover in and among ourselves.

  • Thu, May 13, 2010 - 02:26am

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Welcome, Roamingpoke!  Somehow, I think you’re going to hold your own here just fine!

I’m so very sorry about the loss of your good friend on the rig.  That’s hard!

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  • Thu, May 13, 2010 - 03:18am

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Thank you for the kind words, sir. 

I think I might see your reasoning, now.  I do believe your vision is noble but may harbor on a utopic view that necessarily will require courage.  And while I believe that in a world without a clear vision the people will eventually perish, striving for that goal in our communities entails a fundamental paradigm change.  All of what you are saying could be attainable but would require a great deal of commitment on the part of individuals and communities.  We need that unfaltering commitment to have the capacity to achieve the noble vision that you so eloquently espouse.  Unfortunately, I do not think I possess the personal courage necessary to reach the apex of your vision though I believe it may one day be attainable.

Somehow it seems that interdependence within our environment is the operative phrase here.  We, as a people have not been very successful in finding common grounds for interdependance.  Arizona is a current yet classic case of that failure to acheive meaningful co-existence.

Perhaps you are right, sir.  I have resigned myself to the belief in the energy infrastructure as we know it in the USA; I know of no other sustainable way.  The current energy structure certainly requires enormous economies of scale and vertically integrated companies that work for profit.  That profit is eventually returned to the owners/shareholders vis a vis dividends, stock appreciation, and growth.  Unfortunately, growth at the expense of destroying the environment is a non-starter.  At the end of the day, the quest for cheap energy for a sustainable growth in our economy must not come at the expense of our ecosystem.  Until the price of hydrcarbons become exorbitant such that alternative energy sources become viable, we will continue to experience catastrophes and black swan events.

The energy model that I believe in is tied into the mantra Abundant Energy = Growth.  Growth means sustaining a world population soon to reach 6 billion.  While I appreciate the merits of your view, I am still bound by my own uncourageous paradigm.  Keep making the world better in your own community Mr. Deggleton and the peaceful interdepence we all strive for may one day reach my door.  That will be a grand day indeed!!

 

  

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