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  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 03:28pm

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    Re: Gulf Oil Spill Reaches Land

Does anyone have credible references to explain this “nuke solution” idea? Websites or articles?

I don’t get it. Seems to me like if you nuke the well, the surrounding rock would crumble and oil would just leak up thru a zillion “nooks and crannies” resulting from the explosion. How would a nuclear explosion seal in a free-flowing oil spill? I don’t get it…

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  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 03:42pm

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    The Nuke Option

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpjD6MIVd9o

  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 03:47pm

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[quote=Erik T.]

Does anyone have credible references to explain this “nuke solution” idea? 

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Hows this for credible?

  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 03:52pm

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[quote=Erik T.]

Does anyone have credible references to explain this “nuke solution” idea? Websites or articles?

I don’t get it. Seems to me like if you nuke the well, the surrounding rock would crumble and oil would just leak up thru a zillion “nooks and crannies” resulting from the explosion. How would a nuclear explosion seal in a free-flowing oil spill? I don’t get it…

Thanks,

Erik

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Erik –

Simmons knows oil, but he sure as hell doesn’t know squat about nuclear weapons effects physics.  But it is an attention grabber likely to generate hits on his sites and articles.

And I doubt it would be a “zillion nooks and crannies” – more likely just a one big yawning chasm.

Here’s the theory.  A shaped charge or focused blast could seal the well bore but the trick is to calculate exactly how much yield would be needed to only collapse the bore.  Too little and it doesn’t work.  Too much and you could crack the dome and people will look back wistfully on the days when it was only a 40 million gallon spill.

Underwater NUDETS have their own unique properties.  You couldn’t just lower a nuke on to the site and detonate it.  Most of the shockwave would reflect off the ocean floor, much like most of the shock wave reflects off the surface in a low HOB air burst.  Most of the force would be contained in a propagating bubble that would repeatedly expand and contract until the force was dissipated.  If you want to have the shock wave propagate into the seabed you would need to bury the weapon so the shockwave reflects off the ground-water interface and stays beneath the seafloor.  Then you get ground shock coupling and the formation of a mach stem in the seafloor.  If that were to happen you would almost certainly collapse the bore but the controls on such an event are a bit imprecise so there is no guarantee it wouldn’t just bust open the whole dome.

That would be bad.

In theory it could work, but without a 100% understanding of the underlying geological structure, plus the ability to “Dial-A-Yield” and shape the blast, I just don’t see it as a viable option.

But damn, doesn’t the word “Nuke” garner attention?

  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 05:05pm

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So there are no more options?

  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 05:36pm

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BP’s live feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV):

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

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  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 05:48pm

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Third Giant Underwater Oil Plume Discovered  – complete article link Washington’s Blog

The New York Times reported on May 15th:

Scientists are finding enormous oil plumes in the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick in spots. The discovery is fresh evidence that the leak from the broken undersea well could be substantially worse than estimates that the government and BP have given.

“There’s a shocking amount of oil in the deep water, relative to what you see in the surface water,” said Samantha Joye, a researcher at the University of Georgia who is involved in one of the first scientific missions to gather details about what is happening in the gulf. “There’s a tremendous amount of oil in multiple layers, three or four or five layers deep in the water column.”

The plumes are depleting the oxygen dissolved in the gulf, worrying scientists, who fear that the oxygen level could eventually fall so low as to kill off much of the sea life near the plumes.

AP reported on May 27th that scientists had found a second giant plume deep under the water. The plume is 22 miles long and 6 miles wide.

Today, the Washington Post is reporting that a third giant underwater plume has been discovered:

A Louisiana scientist said his crew had located another vast plume of oily globs, miles in the opposite direction. James H. Cowan Jr., a professor at Louisiana State University, said his crew on Wednesday found a plume of oil in a section of the gulf 75 miles west of the source of the leak.

“We really never found either end of it,” he said. He said he did not know how wide the plume actually was, or how far it stretched away to the west.

As I have previously pointed out, the use of dispersants by BP may be making matters worse. The Washington post article notes:

Cowan’s finding underscores concerns about oil moving under the surface, perhaps because of dispersant chemicals that have broken it up into smaller globules. BP officials have played down the possibility of undersea oil plumes.

This discovery seems to confirm the fears of some scientists that — because of the depth of the leak and the heavy use of chemical “dispersants” — this spill was behaving differently than others. Instead of floating on top of the water, it may be moving beneath it.

That would be troubling because it could mean the oil would slip past coastal defenses such as “containment booms” designed to stop it on the surface. Already, scientists and officials in Louisiana have reported finding thick oil washing ashore despite the presence of floating booms.

It would also be a problem for hidden ecosystems deep under the gulf. There, scientists say, the oil could be absorbed by tiny animals and enter a food chain that builds to large, beloved sport-fish like red snapper. It might also glom on to deep-water coral formations, and cover the small animals that make up each piece of coral.

“You’re almost like a deer in the headlights when you’re watching this. You don’t know what to say,” Cowan said. He said the oil’s threat to undersea ecosystems “is really starting to scare us.”

If nukes are the answer…they better call back the carrier fleets steaming for Iran, they may need a lot of nukes.

Russia’s Ministry of Natural Resources…”Oil spill threatens ‘total destruction

The British Petroleum oil spill is threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with “total destruction,” reports say.

An ominous report by Russia’s Ministry of Natural Resources warned of the impending disaster resulting from the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico, calling it the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history, the European Union Times reported.

Russian scientists believe BP is pumping millions of gallons of Corexit 9500, a chemical dispersal agent, under the Gulf of Mexico waters to hide the full extent of the leak, now estimated to be over 2.9 million gallons a day.

Experts say Corexit 9500 is a solvent four times more toxic than oil.

The agent, scientists believe, has a 2.61ppm toxicity level, and when mixed with the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico, its molecules will be able to “phase transition.”

This transition involves the change of the liquid into a gaseous state, which can be absorbed by clouds. The gas will then be released as “toxic rain” leading to “unimaginable environmental catastrophe” destroying all life forms from the “bottom of the evolutionary chart to the top,”

One thing for sure, we’re aren’t getting the truth yet.  Wouldn’t it be great to have an honest media outlet?  Better yet, wouldn’t it be great to have an honest government?

  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 10:20pm

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We are so screwed with this “mile-below-the-ocean” oil leak that it’s too sad to even put into words. Imagine 50 million barrells of raw crude, the entire Macando reserve, being released into the ocean over months and years time. Man’s futile, pitiful efforts to try and patch this undersea hole are made glaringly obvious by the limitations of his technology at such a remote ocean depth.

 

Tens of millions of gallons of oil have leaked into the Gulf of Mexico, but that’s only about 1 to 1.5 percent of what sits in the reservoir deep beneath the ocean floor, according to calculations based on government and BP estimates.

How Much Oil Remains Under the Gulf?
 

 This truly is a worldwide, cataclysmic event and the general population does not understand this. This is an environmental/social and end of an era Mega-Disaster beyond any corporate control/spin or governmental blame game.

At the moment I am 60 yrs. old and deeply concerned about the long term effects of this massive oil leak. As of right now, this “spill” appears to be on course to be a species killer. Any species of life that is indigenous only to the Gulf of Mexico may very well perish forever. Researchers for major universities have stated that if the leak is stopped today most of the Atlantic Coast of the United States will experience massive killoff of many commercially harvested species, and coral reefs as far north as Virginia will be destroyed. Others have stated that if this continues until August the entire Gulf of Mexico will effectively be a “dead zone” due to oxygen depletion in deep water and toxins, and oxygen levels will not recover in deep water for possibly decades. The wetlands which are being destroyed at this very moment will recover long before the deep waters will be capable of sustaining life.

—- former Navy nuclear weapons technician (Vietnam era)

 

  • Sat, May 29, 2010 - 11:01pm

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    News: The “top kill” has failed

On to Plan C?  Anybody here who lives on/near the GoM (JAG et alia), know that this whole situation makes me HEARTSICK.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us.gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

  • Sun, May 30, 2010 - 12:37am

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Think about this………………there is a very real possibility that the entire reservoir will empty into theGulf.

Now what was it about Austrian School versus Keynesian economics?

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