Good friend ended up in hospital

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  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 01:16am

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    Thomas Thomas

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    Good friend ended up in hospital

Hi all,

Writing today as my world view has been a bit crushed this week.  My good friend, 39 years old, male, exceptionally fit and a big proponent of Vit D, Zinc, etc. has ended up in the hospital.

He contracted the virus about 10 days ago and symptoms started on Sunday 11/28.  He immediately started an IVM + vitamin protocol that night, and as the days went by it looked as if the IVM, Zinc, Vit C, D3, Quercetin protocol was failing him.  On Thursday night he collapsed in the bathroom and was taken to the hospital shortly thereafter, early Friday morning.

Upon arrival they immediately gave him Monoclonal Antibodies, which he now credits for saving his life.  “If I didn’t get the monoclonals I don’t feel if I would have made it, my body was just too beaten down” was his exact quote.  He’s not completely out of the woods yet, but said today, day 8 of the symptomatic virus, was the first time he felt as if there was a slight improvement.

This guy works out 4-5 x per week, below average BMI, eats very clean and healthy + supplements with essential minerals daily.  In a world where they’re now holding out monoclonals for anyone under 65 that is healthy, what are we supposed to do?

Thanks for listening, more of a rant than anything, but a bit mystified that someone who is in better shape than I, and I’m no slouch, could deteriorate like this.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 01:40am

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    Hello Thomas Thomas

Just FYI, this website has been under a multi-modal attack recently, with posters carpet bombing the forums with spam posts which cause potentially important posts to roll off the view.  PP.com is on the radar….

You are a new poster, unknown to us, with a sincere sounding story about the failure of both prophylaxis and Ivermectin.  I suggest that readers take this post with a grain of salt… if you know what I mean.  It could be a true story.. or maybe not.  Regardless, it doesn’t change my approach… if this story is real the guy is very lucky the hospital didn’t put him on Remdesivir and kill him.  Maybe he didn’t understand the increased IVM dosing required for Delta?

Here’s what I know:  Dr. Harvey Risch, MD, PhD, of Yale has compiled the results of various doctors and medical groups using early treatment cocktails, similar to what you describe above.  Of 150,000 patients treated, less than 24 have died.  Early treatment is still the key.  I have nothing against the monoclonals – they are part of the arsenal for sure.

Edit;  was he unvax’ed?  One might guess so based on his use of IVM.. but that should be stated.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:00am

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It’s interesting, I almost put a clause in my post that clarified I’m not some weirdo wasting my time smearing treatment campaigns online, but I thought better of many of the critical thinkers on this forum.

I think if you’ve made your way to Chris’s community, you have to ability to discern truth from fiction.  If you read my initial post and think I’m lying or here for political reasons, well I’d say that individual isn’t any better than the standard CNN or MSNBC viewer that can’t think critically.

As I said in my post, my friend’s experience shook me, as I’m an avid watcher of Chris’s content and I’ve even paid for the premium membership on this site.  Does it mean the protocol is worthless? Of course not, but this anecdotal experience is worth sharing and discussing in my honest opinion.

Edit: Yes, he’s unvax’d

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:29am

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It’s a strange disease for sure. I know a lady in her late 60s — a chain smoker most of her life, has emphysema, can barely walk 50 meters without having to stop to rest — who survived Covid. And then there’s your friend. There seems to be a genetic predisposition to getting ill. Bald men are at a higher risk, for example, if I remember correctly.

I do wonder if those who really suffer from Covid would also suffer from the vaccine too.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:33am

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The latest protocols include an SSRI for treatment.. I am hoping to add this to my armamentarium soon;

  https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/do-you-know-why-there-isnt-an-eua

Fluvoxamine on the other hand actually demonstrated a 12 times reduction in all-cause mortality in the Phase 3 trial. It really saved lives and the difference was dramatic in the clinical trial: “There was one death in the fluvoxamine group and 12 in the placebo group for the per-protocol population (OR 0·09; 95% CI 0·01–0·47).” But the NIH ignored the drug and didn’t even mention this astonishing result on the NIH treatment guidelines. The study wasn’t even mentioned at all in the guidelines. It was like it never happened. So doctors play along an ignore the drug too. No complaints from anyone in the medical community. Silence.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 03:26am

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Agree with Steve Hirsch and Jim H with starting an SSRI (an anti-depressant family) at the first sign of clinical illness (outpatient).  The two psychiatrists friends that are treating COVID with SSRIs said that Luvox (fluvoxamine) has more activation side-effects when started that does Prozac (fluoxetine).  So they prefer to start Prozac, 20 mg / day.  and increase it to 30 mg/day in 3 days if jitteriness is not a problem.  (both Luvox and Prozac use both the FIASMA and Sigma 1 Receptor mechanisms).

Also, Atarax (hydroxyzine) is another FIASMA class drug and Sigma 1 Receptor blocker that calms the jittery feeling or insomnia that can come with starting a SSRI.  So add Atarax if jittery and having trouble sleeping–avoid stopping Prozac.

And use the big dose of ivermectin– 0.4 mg/Kg or 0.6 mg/Kg daily.

And, go to the ED or have your primary care doctor call in an order to the local infusion center for monoclonal antibodies.  They are very helpful!

About half-way down this table is the main monoclonal antibody:  We call it “Bam”.

And last, I am sitting in the emergency department tonight of a little rural hospital in the mountains of western Virginia.  In the room next to me is a woman who was told last week: “there is no treatment.  Come back when you can’t breath.”  Well, now she can’t breath and she is back.  She is critically ill.  And the hospital systems are full without ICU beds.

I so wish someone had at least tried to treat her 7 days ago when she first presented to her doctor’s office with COVID.  Made their best guess and started something that might help.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 04:51am

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I think a key attribute of fluvoxamine is it crosses the blood brain barrier, which IVM does not.  In my opinion we need to be sure to include drugs or supplements that do cross the BBB.  It’s one of the reasons I purchased bromhexine (from Lithuania).

As to Thomas Thomas’ friend, we never have the full diagnostic picture of people who do well or don’t do well with Covid.  But statistically, there are basic profiles (seemingly his friend) who tend to do better than others.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 04:59am

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    My story is similar

Thomas Thomas … my story was very similar to your friend.

Very healthy & fit, worked out regularly, supplements, clean vegetarian diet.  IVM prophylaxis protocol prior to catching what must have been Delta around April 20, 2021.  Increased IVM to recommended dosage for two days.  Then upon learning of further requirements for delta, increased IVM to .4 mg/kg using horse paste.

Anyway, my condition continued to deteriorate and I landed in the hospital on supplemental oxygen. Within one day was administered the standard protocol of Remdesivir for 5 days.  Two bags of convelescent plasma.  No IVM, no monoclonal.  It was downhill from there for 3 weeks.  Deep Thomb blood clots.  Then I began improving slightly.  Cytokine storm kicked in and my condition deteriorated.  Administered Actemra in an attempt to curtail the storm.  Secondary pneumonia infection, likely from increased fluid in the lungs as a result of the kidney damage resulting from the 5 days of Remdesivir.

Intubated and ventilated after 3 weeks for 5 days.  Miraculously improved and ultimately released after 42 days to in-patient rehab for 14 more days.

I wish I could have gotten monoclonal antibodies early on. IVM didn’t seem to work for me, but I was self administering the horse paste. My doc prescribed a Z pack and said to keep taking the horse paste and vitamins but would not prescribe HCQ or pharmacy grade IVM.   Maybe if a doctor had prescribed the appropriate dosage with human grade pills the IVM could have worked. That we will never know.  I got the standard protocol of Remdesivir and ventilator and lived even though the treatment almost killed me.  No recognition of that.  It was all blamed on the Covid.

So much better, now.  I’m still improving, although more slowly now.  Started back at the gym last week.  O2 sats run around 94-97 now, without supplemental O2 and dropping to 89 sometimes under moderate aerobic exercise.

It’s really a crime that we cannot get appropriate early on treatment and instead are subjected to such damaging medications.  The system has failed us.  I fear another round of Covid, particularly since treatment appears to remain the same at this late date.  Go home until you can’t breathe.  Then Remdesivir and the vent.  Coming from somebody who had to live it, it’s a crime!

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 05:39am

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Thomas Thomas-I am sorry to hear about your friend and I (and no doubt others) wish your friend (and Steve!) the best.  They teach a basic principle in pharmacology, that there is no “silver bullet” or therapy without side effects, risks or failures. Even the best medicines don’t work 100 percent of the time. I think one of the scarier things about this virus is that it can be more of a “sniper” (seriously affecting a smaller number of healthy people at random) while outright killing mostly elderly/infirmed.  And people deteriorate pretty quickly when things get rolling.  IVM is still good but not a full guarantee sadly.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 06:09am

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I’m very curious about vitamin D status. I know the OP mentions vitamin D, but I wonder if the friend had his levels tested at some point? And did he take D beforehand, or only start once symptoms appeared? Adequate D supplementation for one person may not be adequate for another, depending on personal physiology and circumstances. I wonder if, perhaps, D status is one part of why sometimes otherwise healthy/fit/younger people sometimes get it worse?

I hope the OPs friend continues to improve. Two friends of mine had a pretty bad go of things last December (married couple, both with chronic autoimmune health issues. Their kids had mild cases and recovered quickly). Both of them recovered fully within a month or so and have been completely fine (C19-wise) since. I hope the same is true for your friend.

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