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  • Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - 02:09pm

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    Re: Glenn Beck

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In an earlier post, you asked me to write clearly and concisely, and that if I did, I would have something to offer you in teaching and helping you to learn. Therefore, you are arguing with the monster that you played a part in creating. From this point forward, I shall no longer call you ao, as I have proven the status of which it stands for is a representation of that which is a bias form of control. From this point forward, I shall call you Mary, after Mary Shelley, the grandmother of the horror story, and the creator of Frankenstein.

 

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Paul,

So far in this thread you have dissed Romans, nickbert, … , admitted to past run-ins with Aaron, and you now have a new nickname for AO?   I also distinctly remember an earlier run-in you had with Dog’s in a Pile where you choose (rather inappropriately) to post a private email from him to the public forums.

Have you ever considered, that some of the conflicts that you seem to have with many other long time posters, could in any way be partially your own fault?

  • Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - 03:20pm

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    Re: Glenn Beck

VanityFox wrote:

Our differences run deep, but my respect of your knowledge within your subject base is strong. Please allow those who’s established experience to discuss these subjects that you are weak in, with the space and respect I have allowed

 

Are you really telling him to mind his own business because you think you are better than him? What do you mean “allowed”?

Vanity I have been reading/learning/enjoying your posts for almost two years and have found your insights very valuable.  However you have really started to slide recently and it has to do with this thread. You have taken this thread on as your personal quest and it has not served you well.

 

  • Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - 03:23pm

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Paul,

I openly declare a bias towards the Christian faith.  That’s no secret here since when Jeff asked me many moons ago what ao stood for, I told him.  If you didn’t know it up until now, that’s your oversight.  I also have a bias towards Taoism, Buddhism, the Association for Research and Enlightenment, holistic and complementary health care, back-to-the- land living, 2nd Amendment rights, alternative energy, libertarianism, Eastern culture, certain endogenous cultures, and a host of other non-mainstream lines of thought so you may find me a tad more difficult to pigeonhole than your normal target.  Will you be open enough to admit your left leaning, socialist, anti-faith bias which is declared in virtually all your posts?  You attempt to declare yourself free from bias but your writing says the exact opposite.  I’m sorry for your wounded past but sadly, it colors all your expression.  But it is something you can rise above and move beyond although you presently seem stuck in a Groundhog Day reality, repeating the same life over and over. 

And if it gives you comfort and solace, to call me Mary, go ahead.  I’ll just think of it as Mary the mother of Jesus and consider it a compliment.;-)

And Paul, it’s dissent, not decent (P.S. despite its problems, I leanred that in a public school). 

  • Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - 03:46pm

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[quote]in reference to the term “long time posters”[/quote]

If I really want to learn, I have to remodel most of my behavior. I take myself too seriously. I am too damn important in my own mind. That must be changed! I am so damn important that I feel justified to be annoyed with everything. I’m so damn important that I can afford to leave if things don’t go my way. I suppose I think that shows I have character. That’s nonsense! I’m weak, and conceited! In the course of my life I have not ever finished anything because of that sense of disproportionate importance that I attach to myself.

personally, I have learned much from reading VF, AP, and XRM, and would consider even the smallest amount of censorship of the three to be a backwardation of the language, as there is much to be learned from what I call the openness and poetry of word shock.

  • Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - 03:58pm

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Anyone who openly declares a bias for the Christian faith, should read VFox’s posts very carefully, every word. He has outlined in patient detail that he is simply asking the question, “What would Jesus do?” He then goes on to describe the moral errors of empire and how they have manifested, particularly by the British empire and then, by logical extension, through the American empire. “Christians” who don’t take the time to read what he has written, nor the links provided, are wilfully ignorant, mentally lazy, emotionally abhorrent.

Is Vanity Fox better than these posters? His opinion is informed, it’s not just about “good feeling”. He doesn’t support an Anglo/ American backed corporatocracy tilting toward a Roman style collapse into something resembling a papal theocracy. He doesn’t need to use the spectre of Jesus as a kind of comforting fetish/a security blanket/ cruise missile to further his philosophy.  He’s getting under the skin of certain posters, particularly the guns and god crowd because he is confronting the logical, AND emotional  inconsistencies in their philosophy/religion. 

  • Sat, Oct 30, 2010 - 04:23pm

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“Christians” who don’t take the time to read what he has written, nor the links provided, are wilfully ignorant, mentally lazy, emotionally abhorrent.

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Emotionally abhorrent … omigosh!  I vote we crucify them all and eliminate this ill-informed, mentally deficient, security blanket craving, thumb sucking rabble from the face of the earth.

But perhaps one of them simply didn’t appreciate the ambushing of a poster who didn’t deserve ambushing.

And maybe, just maybe, some of them have read all his posts and watched the videos in the past but tire of the rehashing and the verbosity and the rebashing and realize there are more worthwhile ways to spend their time <raises hand for the latter choice as he heads off to contemplate the lint in his navel>.

Mary, Mary quite contrary says his peace and departs from the Glenn Beck thread, one which should have died a long, long time ago as the subject of it never deserved this much attention. 

 

  • Sun, Oct 31, 2010 - 07:54am

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Apologies for keeping the thread that won’t die alive…

But all this goes back to different styles of communication and people’s preferences.

It is quite clear that agitating prop (for example) appreciates the depth of information presented in VanityFox’s posts. But just because someone likes to drill into a lot of detail, it does not necessarily mean that they are *smarter* than everyone else. Of course VanityFox is smart, as well as agitating prop. But safewrite, who stood up for the Tea Party, is also very smart and “obviously” so to me.

There are also many different types of intelligence.

I am sorry to be waving my smart credentials here but I guess it’s worth noting that I was one of those straight A students/valedictorians/99th percentile test takers who had my pick of any college in the world to go to.

I’m not a genius. I am not so smart in math that I can do it all in my head. But I am good at both math AND language…I am strong in both my right brain AND my left brain. But I tend to think holistically (more right brain).

So where a VanityFox likes to parse through years of minute details and obscure information, I simply *get* a picture of what’s going on by looking at a wide swath of information and seeing the bigger patterns.

Going into the details of what such and such empire did to whom at what date really doesn’t concern me so much as seeing the bigger picture pattern.

I’m also highly intuitive and I just KNOW things. You can ask people who know me well…they will usually tell you at least one story of me saying something in regards to something I should have known nothing about and getting it spot on. Sometimes to the point of freaking people out.

I’m holistically smart. I can do some computer programming and I can do some graphic design…I am fairly balanced out in right and left brain. But I’m not the kind of person that memorizes dates, details and facts. I don’t really get into charts and data. I can do it, but I don’t really get into it. 

So maybe I’m smart enough to realize that not everyone is smart in the same way…and maybe we need to drop the egos a bit and appreciate other people’s styles a bit more.

I’ll take a very controversial, challenging example. Take Sarah Palin. I am tired of hearing how stupid she is. No, she’s not a brainiac nor a Rhodes Scholar. But she’s savvy…she knows how to “work it.” She knows how to reach people. And when she sees an opportunity, she grabs it. 

Here’s a white trash woman who went from working on fishing boats with her husband to becoming a national force to be reckoned with, all while raising five kids.

Technically, I’m smarter than Sarah Palin. But I’m not so full of myself to not have some awe and respect for what she’s done with her life. I wish I were half as successful as she has been. For all my IQ, I can’t do what she does.

*This does not mean I agree with all her positions.* I think she needs to get on the ball with the three Es. Right now she’s still living in her mainstream bubble. And while she’s really good speaking to crowds, she’s really horrible at interviews and needs to go to Toastmasters or something.

But she definitely has “smarts” – call them street smarts or political smarts – but she’s got something. It is a different type of intelligence.

So bashing on people in this thread simply because they don’t get all geeked up over details and analysis…not fair. And what YOU think is impressive is maybe not what *I* think is impressive. 

It’s funny…I see people getting all worked up over oppression and yet seem to have no issue disrespecting who they feel might be “intellectually challenged.” Well, are you for “the people” or not? I personally think most people are amazing…I just want to see them achieve their inner potential.

 

 

 


  • Sun, Oct 31, 2010 - 05:00pm

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PS I hope that post did not come off as “I’m smarter than everyone else” because that was NOT my intention at all. I was simply trying to say, that even though I have “smart credentials,” I process information very differently from others. Because of that, I would make a lousy econoblogger (I’m not into graphs and details), but I am good at other things. So I think everyone has intelligence…it just comes out in different forms and we should recognize that.

I.e., some people are really great with math but struggle when it comes to processing emotional information, and vice versa. Etc. etc. This is why I feel it is a mistake to focus on who is “smarter” than others contributing to a thread. This approach does not recognize various types of intelligence, and it does not lead to a productive, respectful discussion of the issues at hand. We should come from a place of mutual respect, even if we totally disagree on methodology and philosophy. And I do agree with the popular sentiment that some of the people with the highest degrees can lack the most common sense. ๐Ÿ™‚

OK…I’ll shut up now. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

 

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  • Sun, Oct 31, 2010 - 09:52pm

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So bashing on people in this thread simply because they don’t get all geeked up over details and analysis…not fair. And what YOU think is impressive is maybe not what *I* think is impressive. 

It’s funny…I see people getting all worked up over oppression and yet seem to have no issue disrespecting who they feel might be “intellectually challenged.” Well, are you for “the people” or not? I personally think most people are amazing…I just want to see them achieve their inner potential.

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Soul Surfer–Nobody is bashing the original tea party movement. Safewrite has attended Beck /Palin rallies and appears to support Sarah Palin and Beck.  These movements are drawing the strength out of the original tea party movement. Several posters have tried to drive home this point. Why aren’t you getting this?

Is it because you are missing a lot of the finer points, like that one, in your zeal to find common ground, or is it a disdain for the scholarly effort of having to sift through background info, history, etc…?  Further to that, each one of the details that VFox, V, Xray Mike, Darkribash and others have posted could support whole threads, whole forums, in and of themselves.  The reality of any complicated situation isn’t easily reduced down to a mental slurry that is easily digested.  Is your point of view, therefore, worthy of respect? Is a holistic approach that polishes off the edges of genuine attempts to educate, with the gloss of intellectual and moral equivalency, the best way to deal with a difficult subject?

You “just know” things. Great. Me too!  I know the world is full of highly intuitive thinkers who eschew the balancing features of reason and attention to detail. But the devil is in the details, and the corporate overlords who control Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck , Obama  have carefully wedged themselves into what has become a collective mental vacuum. You don’t have to be a paranoid schizophrenic to regard the whole phenomenon as a terrible metasticizing paratism, the first victims of which could be the ones who support it with the most fervour.

 

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