FRONTSIGHT FIREARMS TRAINING NOVEMBER 2021
I’m signed up. Looking forward to meeting old and new PP tribe members.
Wife and I signed up today. Looking forward to meeting some of the tribe!
One aspect of home defense I rarely hear discussed.
There is the fictional scenario that people have in their minds.
The bad guy is 5 or 10 yards away, they shoot, problem solved.
Real life is not so simple.
The question: How often in a home (business, farm, etc.) defense scenario, does the shooting occur through a window ? (car window, home window)
There are 3 required criteria (and 4th being nice to have but not required in most states) for legally justified deadly force:
Ability: The attacker is physically able to carry out a deadly force attack – disparity of force.
Opportunity: The attacker is close enough to use their ability.
Jeopardy: The attacker is placing or is about to place a person’s life in danger by using ability and opportunity.
Preclusion: You have precluded all other options. (This is not a legal requirement in most states, but it’s the most sound thing to do.)
So to answer to your question is, does the attacker have the opportunity to use their ability? Another example that may be easier to think about is – if someone with a machete 50 yards away (or across a chain link fence, etc.) is yelling at you and says want to kill you, the attacker doesn’t have the opportunity yet. So that wouldn’t be a justifiable use of force.
Now back to your question – if the attacker is on the other side of the window, you will have to ask whether the attacker have the opportunity. Maybe not, if he has a knife, and the window is 7ft tall, for example. Maybe yes, even in the previous environment, your kid may be on the same side of the attacker even though you’re on the other side. So it’s really situational dependent.
Have people had to use their firearm thru glass? Yeah, I’d say car window is probably the most common case. Does it have an impact on the ballistic? Sure. Does it change how/whether or not you use deadly force, maybe.
Here’s another example:
The same attacker (the machete guy) now stand in front of a school bus full of kids, and then pulls out a remote saying he will blow him up. You’re still 50 yards away with your handgun. Would you shoot? 50 yards shot isn’t easy, there’s a good chance you may hit one of the kids in the bus.
That’s a decision each person will have to make, but let’s do this mental exercise:
* If you don’t engage, it’s foreseeable (based on attacker’s action) that the bomb will go off, and the kids will die.
* If you engage, and kill the attacker, and bomb didn’t go off, then that’s great.
* If you engage, and injured the attacker, and the bomb didn’t go off, but you injured/killed one of the kids. Bad, right? But the outcome is still better than if you choose not to engage. Your action have made the outcome better. The attacker would be charged for the murder of the kid, because the kid died during attacker’s act of committing a crime.
* If you engage, and shot the bomb and set it off. Worse, right? Well the outcome is no worse than if you choose not to engage.
I know you asked “how often” it happens, I don’t know the stats, but I also don’t think it matters, because in a deadly force situation I won’t/don’t want to be performing this kind of analysis. Though I will say that thinking about different situation ahead of time is beneficial, and of course training helps a ton.
Hope this helps.
My 2 cents (background: I coach handgun/rifle/unarmed classes at a training school in the Seattle area).
You will definitely want a high quality, centerfire, full-sized/compact handgun with a few magazines. You will also want to have a proper holster for your gun as well as for your spare magazines, rigid belt for your holster, etc.. Then on top of that of course the ammo – I’m actually surprised that the round count is at 700 for a 4-day event, the 2-day handgun course have a 1000-round count and we reduced it to about 7-800 recently due to high ammo cost.
If you’re in the area, I think this would be a no-brainer, especially when you get to take the class with and meet other PP members. But factor in air/hotel cost, I think it’d be worth to compare the cost of taking classes locally vs. this. If I were you, I’d probably ask for more detail on things like: detailed curriculum, gear list, instructor/coach to student ratio for the range portion, and obviously the school’s philosophy and reviews.
I think my husband and I are going! Figured out our babysitting dilemma, sent in our application and my registration was confirmed, still waiting on his, but we are getting pretty excited!
We’re sort of broke though so we’ll probably be staying in our truck, lol, not the hotel. Looking forward to meeting you all though!
I’m in. Flights booked. Silverton room booked.
I look forward to the training & PP comradery.
I look forward to seeing everyone out in sunny Pahrump, NV ((11/12 — 11/15)). Appreciate those who helped with answering questions regarding registration, etc. For some reason, I never received the original “invite” email…however, after learning that others had already received notification I was able to get someone from Peak Prosperity to respond (Thx Peak Prosperity). We got registered on literally the last day (10/25)…here’s hoping that we have a full class so that we can do a bit of networking ((along with the training)). As CM mentions,…”Social Capital” will be EXTREMELY important in the difficult months & years to come,…I look forward to meeting everybody. I’ll be there with my children…3 children, ages 15, 13, & 11yoa…please don’t hesitate to come over and introduce yourselves when you see us on the range. We won’t be staying in Las Vegas so we won’t have an opportunity to socialize after the daily training…we’re staying in Pahrump ((SaddleWest))…they ((SaddleWest)) cater to FrontSight members and if you’re still looking for a place to stay you should consider them. Anyway, c u all soon 😀
I’m eagerly looking forward the training as well.
In the interest of saving $$ and creating a little more conversation and community, I wonder if there is anyone out there who would be willing to take the risk of sharing a hotel room with a relative stranger. The quirkiest thing you might find me doing in the hotel room is yoga and meditation. Oh, and there’s that risk of staying up to late talking.
If you’re interested, please PM me.
Evie and I are excited to be heading back to Front Sight. Since this will be our fourth trip, and we feel we’ve fully mastered the amazing, excellent – don’t-miss-it – handgun course, we’ve decided to instead do the practical rifle course.
We’re staying at the Silverton, and will be driving our rental back and forth and look forward to having passengers each day.
Further, there’s a gathering on Sunday night being hosted by Russ for the larger extended crew of people from our several tribes (his, ours and Brian Lundin’s) in Vegas, so be sure to come to that if you can.
Evie and I are staying through to Tuesday morning so we can see what Vegas is all about on Monday…we’re going to see the Cirque Du Soleil Michael Jackson show (only one running on a Monday, so that was the choice) at 7:00, in case anyone would care to join. As far as I can tell, there’s no vaccine mandate to get into the show.