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  • Fri, Mar 01, 2013 - 10:41pm

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    RJE

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    Yes Sir,

we only lose our voice if we allow someone to quite it. That just can't be.

I do appreciate hearing from those who DO understand, are fearful, but still speak.

Peace

BOB

  • Sat, Mar 02, 2013 - 03:48am

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    ao

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    Ericksonian induction script and double bind characteristics

[quote=cmartenson]

I truly am puzzled by the mechanism and intent behind the phrase "You don't need us to tell you that gas prices are back on the rise!"

It's clear that the phrase came from some centralized source, possibly a wire service because the stations in the clip do not all belong to a single network, and it seems well crafted.

First the cancelling negatives – sort of – that create an odd tension in the phrase:

"You don't need us to tell you that gas prices are back on the rise!"

Second, I learned a long time ago that when someone says 'you don't need me to…" they are really saying you do need them.

But beyond some apparently simple calls to trust authority it appears that there's something a bit deeper about this campaign regarding gas prices.  I am truly intellectually curious about the source and intent behind this phrase.

For the record, I see similar examples appear in the press every single day.  There are constant attempts to sway beliefs and shape opinions and many of them are quite sophisticated.  

the fact that these efforts now reach all the way down to local news programs is a new one to me though…I still thought that they were constrained to the major outlets…I guess there are sufficient resources to reach a bit deeper these days?

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Chris,

As a scientist, your observations are astute.  At least one possible explanation comes from the world of Ericksonian hypnosis (the predecessor to NLP).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson

My studies in this area were informal and incomplete but I know enough to recognize it when it's being used, both from these studies and from past association with a master Ericksonian hypnotist.

 

  • Sat, Mar 02, 2013 - 08:31am

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    RJE

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    Hypnosis

My Pops used to say he would never allow hypnosis because "a mind is a terrible thing to waste". I agree. There's laughter in there you just have to look. We always just laughed and laughed together. That's good, right?

OK, I am up at 3am and we know what hour that is!! I NEVER get up at three, so please, whatever sentence it was that one of you good Folks placed in your thread that put a jinx on me and my most necessary sleep, could you now count to three so I awake and go back to sleep. Thank you…Ahahahahahaha! Levity has its place.

I have a crave for popcorn and a soda too! Another-ahhahahahahahhaha.

Get it?! Subliminal suggestion. That's what they called it back in the day. I know, I know, it's different this time.

Rowe has me absolutely giddy, I really cannot wait to be with you Folks.

I gaurantee, I am NOT who you think I am. I make this promise, we are going to have a GREAT time.

BOB  

  • Sat, Mar 02, 2013 - 10:08am

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    RJE

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    I bought my first computer in the 80’s!

I couldn't get the Internet either. I lived in the country.

We live in a computer driven society. Cable this and that. I wonder, perhaps, if, just maybe, it could be, perhaps possible, that 50 news cast went to 5 or 6 because of cable and the Internet. Additionally, why perhaps, just maybe, could be, that, newspapers have come to the same fate as television. An interesting concept I know. I'm puzzled.

Further, these hidden messages, combined with the fact that everyone is now on the computer, probably playing war games, and the fact that the American population is getting less smart down to the new born, if these messages are even understood because we are just not smart enough to understand the messages.

If this is the case/possible then I stand by my theory that it will be the less educated, and street smart, gifted, Good Folks out there who will survive much better than us really smart people. I contend that these street Folks are better adapted than we are, and our future must look bright. Why this assumption? Well, because more and more of us are getting poorer, and we will soon join these Good Folks thus creating a Super Society of the really gifted stupid Good Folks. I love it.

1, 2, 3…Wake up!, and now go back to bed. Levity has………. 

Regards

BOB

  • Tue, Mar 12, 2013 - 09:57am

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    Mackay

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    ao wrote:And they all get

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And they all get their news from AP and Reuters.  And AP controls Reuters. And the Rothschild family is the majority shareholder of AP. 

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Hi ao et al,

My first post here – likely the first of many. I'm quite a fan of this site. I saw the onslaught of reality six months ago when I read, pretty much by accident, The End of Growth by Richard Heinberg. My wife and I will be moving back to my native Canada, from her native Europe, in July to start a homestead.

But that's an aside. I felt compelled to intervene in this thread because I have spent many years working for one of the two media organizations cited above. I needed to clarify that The AP is a co-op – owned collectively by thousands of newspapers across the US. The Rothschild family is not a majority shareholder. Actually, nobody is. The New York Times may have a great deal of influence by being 'the paper of record,' but that's a more nebulous matter. And The AP definitely does NOT control Reuters. Absolutely nothing of the sort. From 1992 to 2003, I worked as a war correspondent for one of those wire services (alongside the oft-cited Chris Hedges). I only wish that I could have influenced the competition!

However, ao, I agree strongly with the gist of your statement – "Freedom of the press is withering."

It's not a matter of sinister secret shareholders censoring our work though. It's much more dangerous than that. It's a matter of the general public telling us what they want, through `likes,' clicks, subscriptions and reader surveys.

The public is an unstoppable force. And what does the public demand? The public demands pablum.

I left the mainstream media two years ago precisely because of that. I had no more respect for my profession.

Let's imagine that, as a general journalist, I had a choice. In this fictional scenario, I can get only one of two scoops:

Scoop 1 – Saudi Arabia's oil reserve numbers are falsified. And I have a video interview with a senior Saudi figure saying it.

Scoop 2 – Justin Bieber is about to dump his girlfriend. And I have a video interview with him saying it.

Which one is going to get more attention (likes, clicks, subscriptions = money)?

I don't need to tell you.

In short, I'm a much maligned lifetime member of The Mainstream Media (TMM). As such, this forum calls me a "Bernanke mouthpiece" a "mainstream toadie," etc. My best friend of 30 years is a high-level investment banker, and my wife is rapidly advancing in the same direction. They are even more maligned than me. But … all three of us are acutely aware of the issues discussed in Peak Prosperity et al. And we would do pretty much anything to head off the coming crisis.

We can't though. The people have made a choice.

Cheers,

Mac

 

  • Tue, Mar 12, 2013 - 10:25am

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    A MSM Journalist! Welcome Mackay.

Excelent. A main Steam Journalist gives us the inside skinny on how it all works. I encourage you to post often Mac.

The public is an unstoppable force. And what does the public demand? The public demands pablum.

Why do the Martensonians abhor pap?

And love spelling checkers?

  • Tue, Mar 12, 2013 - 12:59pm

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    Greg Snedeker

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    Thank you Mackay

I'm wondering what you're thoughts are on the internet as a source of news? Where the MSM seems to consolidate their news into two opposing viewpoints, leaving the reader to "decide," the internet is often awash in hackneyed opinions making it difficult to decide what is credibile. My wife and I gave up TV in 1992, so we stopped watching the infomercial news a long time ago. Gave up reading the newspapers about 10 years ago since they went the same direction. I've primarily consumed a lot of books and non-MSM source articles. 

It's not a matter of sinister secret shareholders censoring our work though. It's much more dangerous than that. It's a matter of the general public telling us what they want, through `likes,' clicks, subscriptions and reader surveys.

I agree with you and Ao. I don't think your viewpoints are exclusive or necessarily in opposition. I think conspiracies (whether subtle/overt/altruistic/evil/etc.) work in relation with PR/advertising, public demand, systemic organization, etc. I don't think that TPTB have as much control over the masses as some think. The world is still a big place and human beings are unpredictable. There are techniques that are intuitively implemented to maintain order, which in the end keeps society from diving into chaos. For instance, the FED is often criticized on this site as a bunch of irresponsible nitwits that are part of an overall conspiracy to keep the TPTB in power and maintain the status quo. I have been one those guilty parties. But I also keep an open mind that they could also be trying to limit the amount of suffering, and are trying to transition our economy to something more sustainable using the only tools they have available to them. I can imagine they may be terrified right now.

Your friends in the banking system who on the outside may look like the 1%, may acknowledge on the inside they feel like a "cog in the wheel" of a system in which they have no control. These same feelings are wide-spread in the field of education, and I imagine most systems/bureaucracies.

It appears to me that the "system" that we have all created is a mass-societal one that statistically supports (through data, likes, thumbs-up, polls, etc.) the perpetuation of that mass-society, and websites like this one are outlets for the alienation we feel, but also are filling the void of meaningful dialogue that is missing in the MSM. One of my concerns is that as this site and other sites like it grow in popularity, the views will merely be absorbed into the MSM, which may in turn make them into cliches.

The more I struggle with this, the more I wonder if we were all born hypocrites. Sorry, that's kind of a bummer idea, but you get what I mean. I actually have more hope now that changes and dialogue are coming from the bottom up that are beginning to awaken the masses. I have many more questions, but I'll stop there.

Thank You and Welcome!

  • Tue, Mar 12, 2013 - 05:44pm

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    Welcome Mackay

Glad to have your voice.  I affirm your observation about us, the public, being our own worst enemy.  "We the people" are directly and indirectly responsible for most of this mess.  Of course there are some who take the pulse of the herd and selfishly turn it into a profit for themselves to the further detriment of the herd, but even allowing that is our responsibility.  And we don't want to hear the truth from politicians, business leaders, religious leaders, or journalists.  If we can't tune them out, we'll exile them, or string them up.  We're like addicts, and only a crushing bottom brought on by a breathtaking crisis will get our attention.  When that moment comes, there will be a brief teachable moment where we might listen and turn in the right direction.  On the other hand, we might just elevate a sweet sounding dictator with impossibly easy answers. It's written in all the history books. 

Tom

  • Wed, Mar 13, 2013 - 01:27am

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    ao

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    Hi Mackay,This is

Hi Mackay,

This is interesting.  I just spent an hour composing a lengthy response.  Computer froze.  I know I'll never again be able to phrase what I said the way I want to say it.  Tried again.  Locked up again.  If I were paranoid, I'd swear there's hanky panky going on.  I'm going to run a scan and I will get back to you.

ao

  • Wed, Mar 13, 2013 - 03:28am

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    Another welcome

MacKay

Add my welcome to your collection.  I’d like to hear much more about your observations and thoughts.  I agree with your post, but I’m sure you have plenty to add to that.

Travlin

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