Flush niacin — good brand?

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  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 12:45pm

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    Kellyfish579

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    Flush niacin — good brand?

I’m taking the flccc prophylaxis of IVM/melatonin zinc/d/ c/quercetin. Is there anything that contraindicated niacin? ? I’ve actually tried 500 mg niacin & my flush almost made me want to go to the ER haha! Definitely chasing the red 🐉 dragon. I’ll start with 250mg

edit-I’m typing on my phone & can see typos, but it’s too hard to correct! Y’all can tell what I mean ha

  • Mon, Aug 02, 2021 - 02:40pm

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    kunga

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    My technique

I have mentioned before that I make an immune boost, anti aging bone broth drink for breakfast. It’s nice that there is an overlap of ingredients.
I break open a Solgar 500mg flush Niacin cap and add half to my drink. My measurements are lose, more based on taste. I am hoping the bone broth and gelatine supply sufficient glycine.

Himalayan pink salt
Cinnamon
Bragg fortified Nutritional yeast
Org. Olive oil
Apple cider vinegar
Tumeric+black pepper
Life extension trace minerals (Zn, Cu)
Milk thistle seed
Green tea powder. Matcha
Flush niacin
Bone broth powder
Gelatine powder
Powdered beef liver (3x/week -too expensive)
Hot water

  • Tue, Aug 03, 2021 - 01:25pm

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    Canuck21

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    First flush

Well that was unpleasant. I bought the only kind available in town, Jamieson 500 mg 100 caplets because I didn’t want to wait a week for my local pharmacist to order the Now ones. Took just under half of one with my lunch. After about 10 minutes my face felt warm. Then neck. Then body. Then my whole body began to sting and burn. Especially areas where I already had a suntan, obtained a couple of days previously but it had never burned there. But also areas of no suntan at all. Felt breathless. Lay down for 20 minutes. Still burning but not as bad. Breathlessness eased. I do feel calmer though. Listening to the Traffic from Hell outside the house thinking: “Hello, Traffic from Hell, so you’re here again today, are you?” in a rather detached way. Not sure I want to go through that again but if it gets rid of some stress maybe it’s worth it.

  • Sat, Aug 07, 2021 - 12:50pm

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    Flush niacin — good brand?

I was unable to open the first page to the Dr Saul interview on whole foods (so I thought I’d just give you links to all the pages). Incroyable:

Part 1: https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/niacin-the-original-megavitamin-is-more-important-than-ever/

Part 2: https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/niacin-the-original-megavitamin-is-more-important-than-ever-2/

Part 3: https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/niacin-the-original-megavitamin-is-more-important-than-ever-3/

Part 4 : https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/niacin-the-original-megavitamin-is-more-important-than-ever-4/

Part 5: https://wholefoodsmagazine.com/columns/vitamin-connection/niacin-the-original-megavitamin-is-more-important-than-ever-5/

 

Doing my first flush right now. Whole body on fire. Even my teeth are feeling something.  It started 22 minutes after I took 500mg of the natural factors vitamin b3. I thought I was  starting to come down now 1 hour after I took it but then it seemed like it started up again on my legs and stomach.

Just a little note, this might definitely be true: http://www.somalab.net/studies-reports/niacin/ .

  • Sat, Aug 07, 2021 - 01:53pm

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    heh yeah

And that’s why I suggested starting with 100mg, or maybe 250.

If you focus on the giddy part, and less on the burning part, it will be a lot more fun.  Enjoy it while you can – it diminishes over time.

Dr Saul (and his history about/from Dr Kaufman and Dr Hoffer) were absolutely key to my exploration into niacin.  It is a magical substance.  “For some reason” nobody knows about it today.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/hoffer_niacin.html

They’ve terrified everyone very effectively with “the flush.”

  • Sat, Aug 07, 2021 - 02:04pm

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    RandomMike

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    Flush niacin — good brand?

I saw in the 60’s a helpful blue stapled pamphlet by either or both Humphrey/Osmond. It contained detailed questions to help you determine your mental health and thus, presumably, your need for niacin.

Edit: Here ks mroe info on Osmond’s test/questions:

HOD (Hoffer-Osmond Diagnostic) Test for Schizophrenia

This inventory consists of numbered statements.  Read each statement and answer it True or False on the answer sheet according to how well it describes what is happening to you.  If the statement is True as applied to you, draw a circle around the T opposite the number of that statement on the answer sheet.  If, for example, statement number 37 is False as applied to you, draw a circle around the F opposite number 37 on the answer sheet.

Answer every statement.

Each statement in this questionnaire is numbered, but the numbers are not arranged in consecutive order.  The order of the numbers in the test and on the answer sheet, however, are the same.  In marking your answers on the answer sheet, be sure that the number of the statement in the booklet is the same as the number you are answering on the answer sheet.  Erase any answer you wish to change.  Click here to see a printable answer sheet.

Before you take the test, realize that your answers to this test will not necessarily determine whether or not you have schizophrenia.  All it does is give you a rough idea of the disease and its symptoms.  If you are worried you may have schizophrenia or another mental illness it might be a good idea to report your answers to this test to your psychiatrist or psychologist because he or she will likely know how the scoring system works.

Update as of July, 20 2006.  Some hints to scoring the HOD test!  I present a quote by Abram Hoffer.  (Thank you Stephanie.)

“The mean score for schizophrenia is around 65. Few patients with other diagnoses score over 30 and all normal people score less than 20. On the HOD test she scored extremely high, as follows Total 152, Perceptual 36, paranoid 9, depression 16 and short form 14. The odds she was schizophrenic were over 90%. I started her on niacin 500 mg tid, ascorbic acid 1 G tid, pyridoxine 250 mg od and zinc citrate 50 mg od. Orthomolecular therapy includes the combined use of diet, nutrients in optimum amounts and drugs as needed.”  Schizophrenics generally score over 50.

47.) Some foods which never tasted funny before do so now.
143.) Most people hate me.
68.) There are some people trying to do me harm.
61.) I can no longer smell perfumes as well as I used to.
60.) I sweat much more now than I used to.

59.) My body odor is now much more unpleasant
134.) People interfere with my body to harm me.
66.) My mind is racing away from me.
81.) People are watching me.
73.) At times when I come into a new situation, I feel strongly the situation is a repeat of one that happened before.

10.) Sometimes I have visions of animals or scenes.
70.) I have a mission in life given to me by God.
2.) People’s faces seem to change in size as I watch them.
86.) A dress is like a glove because they belong to women rather than because they are articles of clothing.
5.) People watch me all the time.

46.) I sometimes feel strange vibrations shivering through me.
15.) When I look at people they seem strange.
22.) Sometimes when I watch TV the picture looks very strange.
141.) I don’t like meeting people – you can’t trust anyone now.
117.) My hands or feet sometimes feel far away.

107.) Life seems entirely hopeless.
106.) I usually feel miserable and blue.
51.) Water now has funny tastes.
121.) I often hear my thoughts inside my head.
92.) An axe is like a saw because they have handles rather than because they are tools.

110.) I have to be on my guard with friends.
82.) A cow is like a horse because they are both in North America, not because they are both animals.
78.) My thinking gets all mixed up when I have to act quickly.
126.) Other people’s cigarette smoke smells strange – like a gas.
50.) I have more difficulty tasting foods now.

49.) Foods taste flat and lifeless.
7.) Most people have halos (areas of brightness) around their heads.
35.) I have often felt that there was another voice in my head.
31.) I now have more trouble hearing people.
140.) I get more frightened now when I am driven in a car by others.

6.) I feel rays of energy upon me.
28.) I sometimes feel that I have left my body.
1.) People’s faces sometimes pulsate as I watch them.
123.) I hear my own thoughts as clearly as if they were a voice.
109.) I am often misunderstood by people.

45.) I now have trouble feeling hot or cold things.
27.) My hands or feet sometimes seem much too large for me.
39.) I sometimes have sensations of crawly things under my skin.
64.) At times my ideas disappear for a few moments and then reappear.
88.) A pen is like a pencil because they are like sticks, rather than because they are used for writing.

85.) A chair is like a table because they are usually used together rather than because they both have four legs.
84.) A chair is like a table because they have four legs, not because they are usually used together.
19.) Sometimes the world becomes very bright as I look at it.
133.) Many people know that I have a mission in life.
80.) Strange people or places frighten me.

21.) Sometimes when I read the words begin to look funny – they move around or grow faint.
52.) I can no longer tell how much time has gone by.
127.) The world has become timeless for me.
116.) I often become scared of sudden movements or noises at night.
43.) I sometimes feel my bowels are dead.

58.) My body odor is much more noticeable than it once was.
14.) When I look at things like tables and chairs them seem strange.
37.) I have heard voices coming from radio, television, or tape recorders talking about me.
137.) People interfere with my mind to help me.
11.) Sometimes I have visions of God or Christ.

34.) I often hear or have heard voices talking about or to me.
25.) Pictures appear to be alive and to breathe.
145.) I am not sure who I am.
138.) I know that most people expect a great deal of me.
41.) Some of my organs feel dead.

30.) My sense of hearing is now more sensitive than it ever has been.
4.) People watch me a lot more than they used to.
108.) I am very painfully shy.
20.) Sometimes the world becomes very dim as I look at it.
114.) I am constantly keyed up and jittery.

54.) Some days move by so quickly it seems only minutes have gone by.
3.) People’s eyes seem very piercing and frightening.
103.) I very often suffer from severe nervous exhaustion.
36.) I have often heard strange sounds, e.g. laughing which frightens me.
125.) Cigarettes taste queer now.

32.) I often have singing noises in my ears.
42.) I sometimes feel my stomach is dead.
124.) My bones often feel soft.
38.) My sense of touch has now become very keen.
9.) Sometimes I have visions of people during the day when my eyes are open.

100.) A fly is like a tree because they both require humans rather than because they are living things.
17.) Now and then when I’d look into the mirror my face changes and seems different.
8.) Sometimes I have visions of people when I close my eyes.
16.) Often when I look at people they seem to be like someone else.
33.) I often hear or have heard voices.

111.) Very often friends irritate me.
40.) I sometimes feel rays of electricity shooting through me.
101.) A fly is like a tree because they both are living things rather than because they both require humans.
71.) At times some other people can read my mind.
120.) When I am driving in a car objects and people change shape very quickly.  They didn’t used to.

75.) I am now much more regretful.
56.) I have much more trouble getting my work done on time.
115.) Sudden noises make me jump or shake badly.
55.) I have much more trouble keeping appointments.
90.) An orange is like a banana because they both have skins rather than because they are fruit.

98.) Praise is like punishment because they both start with p rather than because they are given to people.
132.) People are often envious of me.
62.) Foods smell funny now.
136.) People interfere with my mind to harm me.
69.) There is some plot against me.

76.) I now am sick.
118.) My hands or feet often look very small now.
94.) The eye is like the ear because they are on the head rather than because they are sense organs.
89.) A pen is like a pencil because they are both used for writing rather than because they are both like sticks.
113.) I am often very shaky.

104.) I very often have great difficulty falling asleep at night.
48.) I can taste bitter things in some foods like poison.
130.) People look as if they were dead now.
112.) My family irritates me very much.
139.) Lately I often get frightened when driving myself in a car.

13.) Sometimes I feel very unreal.
119.) Cars seem to move very quickly now.  I can’t be sure where they are.
23.) Sometimes I feel there is a fog or mist shutting me away from the world.
91.) An orange is like a banana because they are fruit, not because they both have skins.
93.) An axe is like a saw because they are tools rather than because they have handles.

87.) A dress is like a glove because they are articles of clothing rather than because they are owned by women.
95.) The eye is like the ear because they are sense organs rather than because they are on the head.
102.) I very often am very tired.
53.) The days seem to go by very slowly.
24.) Sometimes objects pulsate when I look at them.

129.) Other people smell strange.
44.) I sometimes feel I am being pinched by unseen things.
18.) My body now and then seems to be altered – too big or too small, out of proportion.
135.) People interfere with my body to help me.
122.) I often hear my own thoughts outside my head.

57.) Things smell very funny now.
144.) I find that past, present and future seem all muddled up.
12.) Sometimes the world seems unreal.
105.) I usually feel alone and sad at a party.
131.) I feel as if I am dead.

29.) I often feel I have left my body.
26.) I often see sparks or spots of light floating before me.
97.) Air is like water because they are both needed for life rather than because they are both cold.
99.) Praise is like punishment because they are both given to people rather than because they start with the letter p.
65.) I am bothered by very disturbing ideas.

83.) A cow is like a horse because they are both animals, not because they are in North America.
128.) Time seems to have changed recently, but I am not sure how.
79.) I very often get directions wrong.
72.) I can read other people’s minds.
77.) I cannot make up my mind about things that before did not trouble me.

74.) I now become easily confused.
63.) At times my mind goes blank.
142.) More people admire me now than ever before.
96.) Air is like water because they are both cold rather than because they are needed for life.
67.) At times I am aware of people talking about me.

All of this is from the book Healing Schizophrenia by Abram Hoffer, M.D.

  • Sat, Aug 07, 2021 - 02:24pm   (Reply to #25)

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    Amazing how well the programming works, right?

I flush everyday in the morning with 1 gram.  I do it mainly for the benefits in terms of lipid balance, but I expect that it’s also a meaningful addition to my overall Covid-19 prophylactic cocktail… though I really don’t have high quality data to support that.

Dave said,

They’ve terrified everyone very effectively with “the flush.”

I get the same kind of response sometimes when discussing Vitamin D3.. they say, “can’t you overdose on that?”.  Um… no, not really.  Certainly not at 5000- 10,000 IU daily.

My point is that we are programmed to fear the things that will help us, and to NOT fear the things that might actually hurt us.  Consider;  Most people feel at least a bit ill after taking the mRNA shots.. some people feel like hell for days.. and yet they are THANKFUL because… well…. that’s how you know it’s working.  Even many people suffering more serious damage from the vaccines still defend them.. you know.. “it’s still better than getting Covid…”  which of course disregards the fact that almost nobody had to suffer from Covid-19 if early treatments had not been suppressed.  A hall of mirrors… or as Bret Weinstein termed it, “The animorphic argument”.

Parts of it were unpleasant. But did you see the link at the bottom? That was very pleasant. Can recommend and will try again to verify the results.

  • Sat, Aug 07, 2021 - 02:54pm

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    Don’t fear the flush…

That’s how you know it’s working : )

Parts of it were unpleasant. But did you see the link at the bottom? That was very pleasant. Can recommend and will try again to verify the results.

Ha!  Well your link was…maybe a bit subtle.  I was not sure how much I should read into it.  Appreciate the full disclosure and sorry I wasn’t more perceptive! 🙂

This appears to be a divergence between boys and girls.

Turns out you can have a fair amount of fun for 5 cents.

Who knew!

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