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  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 08:09pm

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    Flu Scare as Dry Run for SHTF?

Hey all —

Regardless of how this whole flu thing turns out (pandemic or flash-in-the-pan…demic [grin]), I did an interesting thought experiment this morning as my wife & I did our usual Sunday shopping for the week and I held in my head the idea "okay, I don’t get to come shopping for the next two months."  

I found I felt mostly cool with that.  We bought up a little extra of this and that but largely did our normal shop. 

I guess after a couple of months’ prep I feel like we’re ready enough to weather something that’d keep us at home and interrupt many normal services (such as supermarkets etc.) for at least 2 months.  Which is about 7 weeks longer than I’d have been comfortable with when I first came to CM.com…

How ’bout anyone else?  Feeling comfortable?  Squicked out?  Nervous?  

And bearmarkettrader, you headed to the hospital yet?  

VIVA — Sager

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 08:37pm

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    Re: Flu Scare as Dry Run for SHTF?

Here is my take on this supposed Flu pandemic. Be forewarned, this is only my opinion.

Anyone notice how the timing of this Flu pandemic comes right in line when the MSM is filling the airwaves with possible trials on the previous admin? Also about the same time as the End the Fed rallies are gearing up. HMMMM…. I find this interesting. Maybe another diversion? I wonder what bills will be passed through the House and Senate with no attention paid this time? Its just a Flu for crying out loud. I also observed that the main infection rate is among the 25 – 45 y/o. HMMMMM… Also the main age group of the majority of people at the Fed demonstrations and not buying into most BS from this admin. Very interesting.

Do we have a ploy to sell Tamiflu to everyone? Anyone remember the Swine Flu scare of the 70’s? I would like to point out that the vaccination they force fed everyone had a higher mortality rate and caused more problems than the flu itself. Also a quarantine would do wonders to stop people from gathering and protesting against the Gov.

I think this is just another scare tactic for a ploy yet unknown. See what develops from it.

I would like to add that I will refuse a vaccination if I am required to take one. I don’t care if its a felony or not. I’ll just sneeze on them if they find me.

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 08:49pm

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SPM….I agree…could be another diversion. Coincides with BK of two of the big three. Would also put a damper on civil unrest…fear of going to public gatherings. Then again…who knows?

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 09:42pm

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    Re: Flu Scare as Dry Run for SHTF?

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SPM….I agree…could be another diversion. Coincides with BK of two of the big three. Would also put a damper on civil unrest…fear of going to public gatherings. Then again…who knows?

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Sure, could be a diversion, but:  the point of the thread is —

If it was a flu-generated SHTF sitch, how would you feel prep-wise if, say on Weds, the Feds ordered lockdown similar to what the Mexican gov has already done.  You ready?  Ready enough?  Not ready?

Just wondering…[smile]

Viva — Sager

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 10:02pm

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Yes, it is strange who the virus attacks. Yes, it is EXTREMELY strange timing, since nearly all flus are started in the winter, NOT spring. It has all the trappings of a red herring thrown all over the world by TPTB. That does not necessarily deminish the potency of this (weapons grade?) virus. 

I don’t think this scenario is absolutely a dry run. This might be it. This could be one of those exceptional events which people say, "there will be a slow descent of civilization unless…"… Unless this. This could be the spark on the powder keg. A rapid collapse scenario like Kunstlers World Made by Hand.

Am I prepared? I don’t think so. I have a store of food and other essentials. I can survive without outside contact for a couple of months comfortably, and indefinately on cattails and tree buds. But my girlfriend/flatmate is a teacher who cannot take off on a whim. Her students are crammed into ghettos, a ticking timebomb of vectors. These are people she breathes air with every day. I really don’t know for certain what I will do when this hits my community. Will I abandon her if she refuses to leave? Care for her once she gets sick and risk infection myself? These are sticky questions.

The best preparation I have is my obsession with zombie movies. Many people think they are stupid fiction, but really they are dramatic stories of infection with lessons which are instructive for survival. Avoid other people if this gets bad in your community, except those you trust with your life. If there is any common theme to infection films it’s that other uninfected people are much more dangerous than the diseased. Be prepared to leave infected loved ones with one bullet in the chamber if it comes to it. If there is a quarentine, head for the hills and don’t plan on things being familiar if/when you return. I am not saying these are ethical decisions, only ones common to the survivors in those stories. Like I said, I am already/still struggling with them myself.

I have a feeling life is about to change very drastically. I would not have guessed this would be the catalyst for TSHFT, but it seems potentially big enough. Right now I am guarded, rechecking my bug-out bag and getting ready to stock up further before the storm is full force. Take care all. God Bless.

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 10:13pm

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    Re: Flu Scare as Dry Run for SHTF?

It’s simple stupid!

The next ‘bubble’?

The great ‘Influenza Bubble’ of 2009!

The ‘Dot Com’ bubble followed by the ‘Housing Bubble’ followed by the great ‘Swine Influenza Bubble’.

I’m sure Goldman have already cornered the market for flu vaccines and face masks after being tipped off by Baxter pharmaceuticals who received their orders from the Rockefeller Foundation for Population Control.

Oh yeah and due to health reasons all public gatherings (ie marches and protests over the global financial fraud) are herewith banned.

Afterall what would you prefer, a dose of swine flu or pepper spray and rubber bullets?

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 10:25pm

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Good question Sager!  I hope this turns out to be a fairly non-threatening "dry run", but pandemic scares me more than just about anything.

I did some medical supply shopping yesterday (something I’d intended to do but was putting off because I didn’t want to spend the money — silly me).  Anyway, now that I have masks, gloves, electrolyte replacement fluids, etc, I feel a bit better.  I already had a good supply of food and yes, I do feel way less freaked than if I knew we’d run out of food in a couple of weeks. We could go 2-3 months if necessary.  That would not have been true a year ago.  Plus, I’ve started the garden and although it’s small, at some point we could survive on a few veggies each day.  (Sort of like that scene in Gone With the Wind when Scarlett gnaws on a radish and swears she will never go hungry again.)  We also have made sure we have enough pet food to last a couple of months– don’t want them to start looking at me as a potentially tasty treat.

 

Two side observations:  First, this current situation seems like a good example of "exponential" and how fast something can move when the pathway is greased. I had not seen anything in the media about this until Friday morning when I saw the link that Dr. Peters posted.  A couple hours later, it was on local news web pages and that night, Bill Maher cracked a (unfunny) joke about it.  Next morning, it was a large-type headline in the local newspaper.   Second observation is that it’s kind of ironic that we have so many forms of news communication these days (the 1918 pandemic would not have even had radio news) but it’s hard to know who or what to believe.  I really value (once again) this website because the relationships that are being forged here and the trust that has developed could really come in handy as this unfolds.  Word of mouth on this website is something I’ll believe a lot longer than anything else I read on the web.

 

Stay safe everybody,

becky

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 10:27pm

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 FWIW, I wouldn’t bother w/the face masks…they don’t screen out viruses.  They’re not even much good for bacteria since they fit so poorly.  And Tamiflu?  Heh.  I’ll just keep taking my vitamins and eating right.  

Gonna be an interesting week at our Pilates studios.  Wonder how many people will cancel their sessions because they’re afraid of flu vector-ation (or because they’re keeping their kids home from school).  I’ve already put hand sanitizer in my bag to take down there (make folks feel like we’re being pro-active about the whole thing)….

Viva — Sager

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 10:33pm

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Good question Sager!  I hope this turns out to be a fairly non-threatening "dry run", but pandemic scares me more than just about anything.

I did some medical supply shopping yesterday (something I’d intended to do but was putting off because I didn’t want to spend the money — silly me).  Anyway, now that I have masks, gloves, electrolyte replacement fluids, etc, I feel a bit better.  I already had a good supply of food and yes, I do feel way less freaked than if I knew we’d run out of food in a couple of weeks. We could go 2-3 months if necessary.  That would not have been true a year ago.  Plus, I’ve started the garden and although it’s small, at some point we could survive on a few veggies each day.  (Sort of like that scene in Gone With the Wind when Scarlett gnaws on a radish and swears she will never go hungry again.)  We also have made sure we have enough pet food to last a couple of months– don’t want them to start looking at me as a potentially tasty treat.

Two side observations:  First, this current situation seems like a good example of "exponential" and how fast something can move when the pathway is greased. I had not seen anything in the media about this until Friday morning when I saw the link that Dr. Peters posted.  A couple hours later, it was on local news web pages and that night, Bill Maher cracked a (unfunny) joke about it.  Next morning, it was a large-type headline in the local newspaper.   Second observation is that it’s kind of ironic that we have so many forms of news communication these days (the 1918 pandemic would not have even had radio news) but it’s hard to know who or what to believe.  I really value (once again) this website because the relationships that are being forged here and the trust that has developed could really come in handy as this unfolds.  Word of mouth on this website is something I’ll believe a lot longer than anything else I read on the web.

 

Stay safe everybody,

becky

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Hey Becky —

Thanks for your detailed response.

Pet food:  that was one of the few things that today at the store I stocked waay up on.  We’ve been putting food in for ourselves for a SHTF thing for a couple months now, but only a teensy bit for Seamus, our collie mutt.  Today I bought enough wet food (to mix w/his dry) such that the supply will be good for a month plus (and then we’d mix in leftovers from our food if necessary).  Funny — it was on sale (about 40% off — nice!).

Veggies:  since it’s so early (and so few veggies are up and edible now [asparagus being an exception?]), I’d recommend going to the local health food store and buying one or two containers of "green food" supplement.  You mix it into water.  It’s made of algae and various dried greenleaf veggies (like kale/spinach) and in a sitch where greens are not available its a decent if not ideal alternative.

And yes — I value the info I get from this community more than I do the info from elsewhere.  

Viva — Sager

  • Sun, Apr 26, 2009 - 10:34pm

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I wondered about the effectiveness of face masks (and it will be a sad day when I actually put one on –fear of looking like a dork is strong   )  But, it did help me feel like I had "done something".

becky

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