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  • Fri, Jun 07, 2013 - 06:35pm

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    Oliveoilguy

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    Herds of Sheeple?

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 I think if you met the people here on this site you would find that many of us are ….well…different…..perhaps even considered eccentric…and not put into boxes very well…

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That is so true….that this PP community is made up of free spirits that don't easily fit into the standard molds.

 I'd rather spend my energy getting to know the unique characteristics of a friend, than to try to fit that person into some generationally defined straitjacket.

The small town where I live is filled with wonderful, unique personalities. Some of the bluehairs at my church have the energy and exuberance of teenagers, and one young kid (24 yrs old) who was raised in this redneck town is an avid organic gardener and uses natural remedies. 

I strive to be "eccentric". How boring to wander aimlessly with herds of sheeple.

  • Fri, Jun 07, 2013 - 07:04pm

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    Wendy S. Delmater

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    odd ducks

Yes, there are many people who are not "traditional" consumerists here. I agree with Treebeard that, "Technically I would be classified as a boomer, but I have never identified with that group, I am on the tail end of it." Furthermore, in my case I was born late to parents who were born late to grandparents that were born late. It's like I am back a couple of generations culturally. I feel a kinship with my farmer ancestors and not only bewilderment but a deep aversion to our plastic culture that is so divorced from nature.

And I am going to admit something here. I'm angry. I am furious with the boomers ahead of me who not only robbed my children and grandchildren of their pensions, futures, and clean environment. They also robbed me, because the tail end members of the baby boomer generation are watching all of our "benefits" get eaten up by consumerist and political entitlements. Much of this is money wasted for things that do not matter. I just shake my head in frustration.

A good writer once said that the difference in writing characters of different ages is bsed on the following: young people think they can change the world, middle age people want to change their neighborhood, and older people realize they cannot change much of anything but themselves. I do wonder of maturity equals cyicism. I suspect the answers would be found off the tourist's routes.

  • Fri, Jun 07, 2013 - 07:13pm

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    Poet

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    TreeMagnet: Please Revisit Your Model

TreeMagnet:

You wrote:

"Go tell a salesman not to generalize when talking to prospective customers – if you can't size them up, and I mean like RIGHT NOW, how are you going to get them to identify with you – thats the key – and spend money with you?  I'd be out of business in a month."

Do you want us to buy your ideas or respect what you have to say? If so, I suggest you make better generalizations and size your prospective audience up better so they will identify with you – that is the key.

Poet

  • Fri, Jun 07, 2013 - 08:01pm

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    jdye51

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    Life is Short

I am a member of the "boomer" generation and have the same feelings about our collective state of affairs that so many of all generations do: anger, frustration etc. I haven't read "The Fourth Turning" so I can't comment on that. It seems to me though that self-interest, greed and cruelty aren't confined to any one generation but rather are human issues that we can see playing out across the ages.

I sometimes marvel at how often short-sighted decisions are made that are diametrically opposed to those that are for the common good – bankers whose greed causes imbalance in the financial sector of society causing great hardship for millions; corporations that pollute our waterways, soil and air with no thought as to our future needs for these precious resources; the overpopulation of the planet straining its carrying capacity causing poverty, hunger and unrest – these are just some more obvious examples of short-term thinking and behavior.

We don't acknowledge how connected we are to the web of life on the planet and to each other. So, now we are all going to suffer the consequences with the convergence of the 3E's. Much more suffering is ahead for us all because our focus on the short-term has led to long-term changes. As Jan said, a major reset is needed because our way of life is destroying us and much of life around us. How will we respond to these changes? Will we learn from our mistakes? Is is too late for us? How sad that we have so cavalierly used our time here as a species.

On a personal level, I vacillate between grief and acceptance. Underneath my anger is a profound sadness that is even more painful to experience but is necessary to allow. Paradoxically, the more I allow myself to feel it, the more alive I feel and the more I appreciate each moment.

So enjoy life. Take that trip you've always wanted. Visit family and mend fences. Forgive. Love. Life is short.

Joyce

  • Fri, Jun 07, 2013 - 08:49pm

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    treemagnet

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    Really?

So listen Frasier, the University of Phoenix called, they accepted your application for psychology with a minor in critical thinking and marketing <sarc off> (that means it was a joke!).   Marketing without generalizations…..(laughter) good luck with that.  How would that say, work for a….oh, I don't know….how 'bout a gentlemen's club? (more laughter).  And for the record, identification is a focal point of a sale – understanding needs AND wants.  People want to deal with people they identify with, that they can see something in the other they like, admire, and trust.  And it can all be done with honesty, integrity, and the willingness to bust your ass.  Curious….what do you do for a living?  At least generally?

  • Fri, Jun 07, 2013 - 10:29pm

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    treebeard

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    Long time in the making

This mess has been a long time in the making, some trace this mess back to the greek philosophers and dialectic thinking that first ripped man from his intuitive mind and our natural ability to know reality directly. The boomers were the product of a world destroyed by WWII, sitting atop a mound of resources with just about the only functioning industrial base on the planet.  Mix that with manifest destiny and american exceptionalism and you get the heady mix that has led to the mess we are in.  I takes a hell of a lot of arogance to say that you would have turned out differetly or done different things if you were a product of that time.

Me, I never bought in exceptionalism, manifest destiny, and the rest of that crap.  I don't know why.  I don't take credit for that though, except for the grace of god, there go I.  There are the people who still sing that song, regardless of generation, hey V8 power for ever baby!  Spreading democracy with the barrel of a gun all over the world.

To me it is the evolution of thought and spirit over time that is fascinating, each generation playing its role. Each generation has the seeds of the next evolution of thought in their actions.  If things could have happened any other way they would have, each turn is a necessity. It is extremely upsetting non the less.  There is a part of me that is mad as hell about the whole thing, but what are you going to do.  Play the card that you were dealt, anybody got any other options?

Everything has its usefulness, including generalizations, but it is a blunt and dull instrument.  Labeling and naming things, putting thing in big dumb boxes is an expedient view of reality, if you want to skim across the surface.  To be present without judgement, to take in what is in front of you, seeing and listening, wthout the mind front running the transaction like a wall street banker, now that is a thing of beauty. Funny how we wound up back in greece, the cradle of democracy?

  • Sat, Jun 08, 2013 - 12:10am

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    treemagnet

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    maybe

Generalizations have their place – like when things are coming at you fast.  The 4 archetypes likely don't lend themselves equally well to the same tools.  Our "unraveling", to me is such a turning…..though the 4th will obviously be the best candidate for such a crude tool as generalizations.  Think of WWII, we put a lot of stuff in those boxes – though many bad boxes got packed full, and quick….Japanese internment camps come to mind.

Me, I like to generalize – its my 'multi-tasking' tool.  But, I hear what you're sayin. Do you suppose it's a tool with a place?, or not really.  

  • Sat, Jun 08, 2013 - 01:04am

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    Peak Prosperity Admin

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    Life is Short-For Some.

Speak for yourself.

I take TA 65 to rebuild my telemeres.

If you don't hear from me in the future, it doesn't work.

  • Sat, Jun 08, 2013 - 01:47am

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    treebeard

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I agree, when things come at you to fast, or there isn't enough time to properly digest what's going on, that when we fall into the generalizing mode.  But they definately have their place.  I think of generalizations as temporary structures, places holders, till time allows as to be present.  The only real danger of generalizations is attachment, when the more detailed and nuanced reality behind them comes into focus, we need to let them go.

  • Sat, Jun 08, 2013 - 01:52am

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    ao

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    to my stalker “friend”

No treemagnet, this has nothing to do with you.  It's a behind the scenes thing.  

Every keystroke … At-One-Ment can't be seen … but I can see. 

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