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  • Sat, Feb 08, 2014 - 07:10am

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    Feminism and Collapse.

Karen Straughn of owning your own shit.com comments lucidly on gender role both now and as society collapses and is unable to support unprepared breeders.

  • Sat, Feb 08, 2014 - 06:07pm

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    Video link

Mr. Robey,

I wanted to send a link to the youtube video you posted to a friend, but I haven't been able locate it.  It's the CGI video with the ice towers and Jesus with a heart tattoo.   Thank you.  T2H

  • Sat, Feb 08, 2014 - 08:34pm

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    Nervous Nelly

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    Owning your Own shit

Yep I own my own shit as Karen says. Divorced with two boys 7 and 9 and worked like a dog to support myself and both of them with 0 child support for many years because he would work under the table. etc etc. Finally got 120$ a month child support for both back in the day.  They're now 30 and 32 and incapable of having a long term relationship. One is a Don Juan type and the other would have liked but got screwed over emotionally so often that he's extremely angry at women in general. He's a fan of Karen and the anti-feminist movement. It will be a miracle if I get to be a grandmother some day. I'm not a feminist or non feminist.  I just do.

I feel for this generation because they have so many options that they don't or won't commit to anything anymore like tree magnet said. And it's true that women have this inbred biological need to want to hook up with someone that makes more but we got to get over that because that's not reality anymore.

I 'm in a long term relationship  with a very intelligent man that lost his job in the avionics industry and he  can't find a job in his field anymore and now he just does odd jobs here and there and I'm the main bread winner. I'm a little angry about that sometimes ….like I didn't sign up for that but am I going to shame and humiliate him for that? He feels enough of that with out my help thank you.  

NN

Sorry for that rant!

 

 

  • Sat, Feb 08, 2014 - 11:59pm

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    No need for apologies, NN.

No need for apologies, NN.  That's what we're here for!  

Life can be tough, and we do the best we can do for our children, and in our relationships.  I think a lot of us have grown to realize that the fairy tale "happily forever after" we expected when we were children isn't necessarily the reality we've ended up with.  It is easy to be bitter, but then we get stuck living in that emotional context.  Better to make the best of what we've got, and be grateful for those things that are good in our lives.  I know that sounds Polyanna-ish (I know,I'm dating myself).  But I've had to put that to the test through a variety of hard, real-world circumstances, and reframing things in as positive a light as you can really does make a  difference.

Big hugs!

  • Tue, Mar 31, 2015 - 04:40pm

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    Arthur Robey

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    On Feminism

An old man salutes a young woman.

In Defense of Men, What's Left of Them – Present …: http://youtu.be/IT9jeK30yH8

  • Tue, Mar 31, 2015 - 06:56pm

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    On Feminism

Thanks for that Arthur. Puts a finger on something I’ve been trying to nail down for a while.

  • Tue, Mar 31, 2015 - 09:59pm

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    A salute to Oma

[quote=Arthur Robey]

An old man salutes a young woman.

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Nice rhetorical twist, Arthur.

My grandmother may be smiling down at us now.  She was a feminist and she – unlike Christy0Misty – lived during a time when women didn't have the rights that the vitriolic Christy seems to either take for granted or, in many cases, explicitly oppose.  

It might be helpful for you, or Christy, to walk a few paces in Oma's shoes, in Hell's Kitchen, before World War II, to better understand what it was like for women then.  

For anyone who doesn't understand what I'm talking about, a good place to start would be to look at the difference in number of rapes and other types of violence against women that are prosecuted in societies with more women's rights, and the converse.  Being a woman in Saudi Arabia or India – where women's rights are much less established – is very different than being a woman in Australia or the US.  Wanting to have legal recourse for a violation of one's body hardly seems like an extreme or unreasonable position.

Of course, like any movement, there are some unfortunate side effects and extreme elements, but that's no reason disparage the whole sea change brought about by feminism.

I salute you, Oma.

I long to hear that you have declared an independancy—and by the way in the new Code of Laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make I desire you would Remember the Ladies, and be more generous and favourable to them than your ancestors.  Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the Husbands. Remember all Men would be tyrants if they could. If perticuliar care and attention is not paid to the Laidies we are determined to foment a Rebelion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any Laws in which we have no voice, or Representation.

Abigail Adams in a letter to John Adams

P.S. As a Dutch speaker, Oma served in the OSS in World War II, funneling Allied money to the Dutch resistance against the Nazis.  This was partly because she thought that women could and should contribute in order to secure their freedom, just as the men were doing. 

  • Tue, Mar 31, 2015 - 11:47pm

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    A nice big helping of…

  • Wed, Apr 01, 2015 - 12:55am

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    Care to step up with some reason(s), T2H?

[quote=Time2help] Puts a finger on something I've been trying to nail down for a while.[/quote]

Nice picture, T2H.  Now, do you care to actually set up a logical progression of ideas in a post?  Pictures are fine, but let's see some sentences too; maybe even paragraphs.

Would you like to tell us which part of Christy0Misty's commentary you found so enlightening?  There's a lot there to choose from.  Did you like it all or just some of it?  I certainly found some choice bits.

More importantly, how is it that you don't see a connection between women's rights and better legal protection for women in cases of rape and domestic violence?  If you take the time to actually study the historical record, you will see that these are closely connected.  How is mentioning this a red herring?

  • Wed, Apr 01, 2015 - 02:52am

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    Arthur Robey

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    An ex-feminist replies.

I hold it to a self-evident truth that no two people are equal by any measure at all. Further, I demand that Justice dispensed is weighted in the light of of this inequality. 

Me

A good place to begin your enlightenment would be "The Myth of Male Power."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Male_Power

I will never argue for "Equality", for it is a cruel hoax.

"Whose fault is it that you have no food,  child?" "Why yours, of cause." "Because you see, you and I are equals, and if you cannot be bothered to feed yourself, what concern is that of mine?"

My grandmother taught herself how to read and write while tending to her other 12 younger siblings. Why? Because those were the cards she was given to play.

Your assumption is that the future will enable us to entertain these deceits and follies and also survive. We won't.  The nuclear family offers the best hope for survival. Feminism is implacably opposed to it. But I see through their subterfuge to weaken the gullible and strengthen their own childrens' hold on the resources of the environment. 

EDIT: Persig demonstrated that Rhetoric is as valid as Aristotle's forms. Rhetoric addresses Quality. I wear the badge of Rhetorician with pride. This dichotomy is further illuminated by McGillchrist.

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