Fauci and CDC sued for Crimes Against Humanity

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  • Fri, May 21, 2021 - 12:15pm   (Reply to #40)

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    But will the narratives change?

Instead of, “wash your hands, wear a mask and get vaccinated” it should be  “know your vitamin D levels, supplement if needed and wash your hands.”

  • Fri, May 21, 2021 - 12:50pm

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    vitamin D study

JimH-

Thanks for the vitamin D study.  It could be summarized as, “vitamin D sufficiency stops the cytokine storm in hospitalized patients.”  And its just normal vitamin D!  Really remarkable results.  I have to say though, it makes me sad when the “no treatment group” dies so unnecessarily.  They should all get vitamin D.  We know it works.  Things are just so broken.

Of course the study occurred in a poor country: India.  Every single day I thank heaven for the doctors in Iran, Egypt, Argentina, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Bangladesh, and now India for showing us the way out of the crisis.

The NIH – what an utter, abject failure this organization has been during the 15 months of the pandemic.  They all need to go – all of them.  Top to bottom, we’d be better off without any of them.  They’re all controlled by Pharma.

“Wash your hands.  Wear a mask (!).  Hide in the basement.  Take the experimental shot – even if you’re not at risk!”

Because – “Science!”

And, of course – the ultimate insult – “No Treatments For You!!”

  • Fri, May 21, 2021 - 07:28pm   (Reply to #39)

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    Fauci and CDC sued for Crimes Against Humanity

Put differently – do you have evidence that “positive” samples, which were not able to be cultured, have ended up hospitalizing or killing some significant number of people?

I’m saying it is not so simple an association to make for multiple reasons, although it is logical, it makes too many assumptions:

1) The ability to culture may be more difficult (it is not that easy from my understanding – you have to have a human cell line for the virus to infect to culture). So the “cutoff” for culture might be different that the cutoff for PCR more technical/experimental reasons, like that human cell line used for example.

2) There is little evidence that ability to culture = threat to the patient or lack thereof that I know of. The cutoff for culture may be different for the “cutoff” for what makes a patient sick. You might need much more virus to get a culture going than would be needed to make someone sick if they inhaled that much, or vice versa.

3) The PCR test is designed to detect those that have the virus, not whether it is an imminent threat to the patient.  It is a sensitive test to detect earlier than antibodies which could be used to advantage, allowing treatment before infection builds up and potential symptoms get worse (aren’t IVM and HCQ MUCH more effective as early as possible)

4) The PCR is only a single point in time. Maybe patients that test positive go on to develop symptoms and don’t remain asymptomatic. This relates to #3.

I’m simply arguing the claims about the PCR tests/Ct take too simplistic a view and do not equate to malice. I don’t really want my tax money spent on lawyers for the government to defend itself against BS lawsuits. I never expected for you to agree with me, just maybe hopefully acknowledge that there is a lot more to the PCR than just “the Ct value is 37 and should be 30 therefore all PCR results cross the world are bullshit”

  • Fri, May 21, 2021 - 08:05pm

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When does incompetence turn to malice?  At the beginning of all of this I have to agree that we had a fair amount of confusion and incompetence.  Now when we have the “experts” banning perfectly safe drugs, pushing vaccines and then changing the definition of “case” to get the results they want it tips into malice.

 

Narrative spinning is their basic modus operandi. They use it as to everything, not just Covid 19.

“Narrative spinning” constitutes dishonestly. It is a turning away from truth to achieve hidden objectives based upon 1) the promotion of selected facts, 2) the suppression of facts inconsistent with the selected narrative and 3) the censorship of those seeking a full exploration of the issue under consideration.

I think that’s probably a personal decision based on personal opinions of what the “hidden objectives” are. “Narrative spinning” is used by all politicians to stay elected or get votes etc. Certainly dishonest (and expected) but malicious? Crimes against humanity?

I personally think they do believe they are doing what they think is right and the best for the people. That is the common thread between left and right that no one wants to acknowledge – both sides think they are right and the other side has malicious intent.

 

  • Sat, May 22, 2021 - 02:32am

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    benefit of the doubt

Chris-

I’m simply arguing the claims about the PCR tests/Ct take too simplistic a view and do not equate to malice. I don’t really want my tax money spent on lawyers for the government to defend itself against BS lawsuits. I never expected for you to agree with me, just maybe hopefully acknowledge that there is a lot more to the PCR than just “the Ct value is 37 and should be 30 therefore all PCR results cross the world are bullshit”

Right.  This “lack of malice” assumption might well make sense in an academic discussion that has no “pandemic context” surrounding it.  I’d have almost certainly agreed with you pre-pandemic.

But that’s not where we are right now.  So – I’m going with the odds (and common sense) based on my recent experience.  “For some reason” our “health” authorities have repeatedly made rules that “accidentally” end up with a whole lot more people dying (and/or creating more fear) than necessary during this pandemic.

Vitamin D.  Hydroxychloroquine.  Ivermectin.  Fluvoxamine.  Zinc.  And now – even humble, ancient, and useful NAC is illegal.  “No Treatments For You”, Plebe.

No malice there?  Just – “its complicated?”

Add to this: VAERS is under-reporting anaphylaxis by a factor of 120 for the COVID vax shots.  This “accidentally” benefits the Vax narrative.  As does everything these days.

Add to this: Ct values for COVID are 37 (because – complicated tech!) while Ct values for vax breakthroughs are 28 (because – vax marketing).  More Vax narrative benefit.

Given this context – this pattern of repeated, sociopathic behavior – you really want me to give these same people the benefit of the doubt?

As I said, pre-pandemic, I would have agreed with you.  I’d give these people the benefit of the doubt.  But after an abuser has punched me in the face a dozen different times, when it appears as though they are doing it for time #13 – my common sense tells me “this one probably isn’t an accident either.”

“If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck – its probably a duck.”

These “people” have totally betrayed my trust.  They all need to be tried.  All of them.  Some might be innocent, some might have been “just following orders” (c.f. Nuremberg 1946), and I’m certain that some are guilty as sin.  For all the Americans who died unnecessarily during the past 15 months, and who are continuing to die unnecessarily, this simply needs to happen.  After events like this, we have war crimes trials.  “Legal fees” are just not my concern.  “You shouldn’t put Heinrich Himmler on trial – just think of the unnecessary legal fees!”

You still imagine this is some sort of left-right thing.  Left-right is just an old fairy tale.  In reality, this is an Oligarchy-Plebe thing.  The Plebes (you and me!) are the ones getting killed, while the Oligarchs gain more power, money, and control.

Who got richer and more powerful during the pandemic?  You and me?

Left-right is so 2019.

  • Sat, May 22, 2021 - 05:33am   (Reply to #45)

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Take the master class on SARS COV2.

https://www.flemingmethod.com/

Dr. Fleming eloquently explains why the PCR should never have been used at ANY Ct. Period.

  • Sat, May 22, 2021 - 11:36am   (Reply to #45)

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    benefit of the doubt

All good points that I cannot and will not argue with – this is where it is a personal decision. I know I’m more forgiving than most and am easily to put myself in other people shoes. I also know myself enough to know that I cannot spend a lot of time “truth-seeking”, as it negatively affects my mental and physical health, in large part because it is an exercise in futility as I doubt we will ever truly know. I came to the site to discuss the 8 forms of capitol which few seem to post about now unfortunately.

So far the one group that has definitively lost my trust is the NIH for recommending against the FLCCC treatments. Not only that, but not even doing the bare minimum and funding a well designed RCT  since that was the claimed issue (last time I checked). At the very least follow the science and investigate rather than recommend against and call it a day.

Left-right is so 2019.

This gave me a chuckle. Maybe I have an unusual view on this but, if I were an oligarch, the status quo of the last 2+ decades at least would have been fine as I was steadily gaining more power, money and control anyways. No need for viral pandemics and such, which is just unnecessary attention.

Thanks again for the discussion and giving me things to think about.

Chris

  • Sun, May 23, 2021 - 06:49pm

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@ChrisKaz

I also know myself enough to know that I cannot spend a lot of time “truth-seeking”, as it negatively affects my mental and physical health, in large part because it is an exercise in futility as I doubt we will ever truly know. I came to the site to discuss the 8 forms of capitol which few seem to post about now unfortunately.

Yes, truth seeking affects us all, mentally and physically. And if we do not truth seek, certainly with respect to all aspects of this plandemic, it will not matter what other forms of capital we have. We may not have our health, freedom or even our very lives to enjoy them!

With respect to the validity of the PCR test, the following is taken from the conclusions of the German Corona Investigative Committee, which is providing supporting evidence for Dr. Reiner Fuellemich’s global class action lawsuits (bold my emphasis):

https://foreignaffairsintelligencecouncil.wordpress.com/tag/panic-paper/?fbclid=IwAR2sINgnUqXhflIaU766z223m4DgFQeQHChmXrEh7NFl7a1Ocw-sK6U5Hcw

… Crimes against humanity were first defined in connection with the Nuremberg trials after World War II, that is, when they dealt with the main war criminals of the Third Reich. Crimes against humanity are today regulated in section 7 of the International Criminal Code. The three major questions to be answered in the context of a judicial approach to the corona scandal are:

1. Is there a corona pandemic or is there only a PCR-test pandemic? Specifically, does a positive PCR-test result mean that the person tested is infected with Covid-19, or does it mean absolutely nothing in connection with the Covid-19 infection?

2. Do the so-called anti-corona measures, such as the lockdown, mandatory face masks, social distancing, and quarantine regulations, serve to protect the world’s population from corona, or do these measures serve only to make people panic so that they believe – without asking any questions – that their lives are in danger, so that in the end the pharmaceutical and tech industries can generate huge profits from the sale of PCR tests, antigen and antibody tests and vaccines, as well as the harvesting of our genetic fingerprints?

3. Is it true that the German government was massively lobbied, more so than any other country, by the chief protagonists of this so-called corona pandemic, Mr. Drosten, virologist at charity hospital in Berlin; Mr. Wieler, veterinarian and head of the German equivalent of the CDC, the RKI; and Mr. Tedros, Head of the World Health Organization or WHO; because Germany is known as a particularly disciplined country and was therefore to become a role model for the rest of the world for its strict and, of course, successful adherence to the corona measures? …

And this is the most important part of our fact-finding: the PCR test is being used on the basis of false statements, NOT based on scientific facts with respect to infections. In the meantime, we have learned that these PCR tests, contrary to the assertions of Messrs. Drosten, Wieler and the WHO, do NOT give any indication of an infection with any virus, let alone an infection with SARS-COV-2. Not only are PCR tests expressly not approved for diagnostic purposes, as is correctly noted on leaflets coming with these tests, and as the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis, has repeatedly emphasized. Instead, they’re simply incapable of diagnosing any disease. That is: contrary to the assertions of Drosten, Wieler and the WHO, which they have been making since the proclamation of the pandemic, a positive PCR-test result does not mean that an infection is present. If someone tests positive, it does NOT mean that they’re infected with anything, let alone with the contagious SARS-COV-2 virus. 

Even the United States CDC, even this institution agrees with this, and I quote directly from page 38 of one of its publications on the coronavirus and the PCR tests, dated July 13, 2020. First bullet point says:

Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019 nCOV [novel coronavirus] is the causative agent for clinical symptoms.”

Second bullet point says:

“The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019 nCOV infection.” Third bullet point says: “This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” 

This entire document highlights so many critical things, including absolutely inappropriate use of PCR tests for the prime purpose of fomenting fear which in turn has been used to suspend human rights & civil liberties and coerce experimental injections without informed consent.

If you want to walk away from this discussion and hide from the discomfort that comes with truth seeking, and the ever increasing evidence that this is medical experimentation with genocidal intent, well, okay, that is your choice.

Just know that millions of people are dead and going to die, and many more are seriously harmed, and still to be harmed, because far too many people are uncomfortable with truth seeking, or finding out what they (really) know to be true, but can’t admit or cope with.

It is always easier to not to seek the truth. To not say or do anything. To look th other way. Which is exactly why we are in this horrific mess.

The Truth

 

  • Thu, May 27, 2021 - 04:36am

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I don’t know if anybody has posted elsewhere this video interview with Dr Peter McCullough, Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine.  I have only listened to the first 40 minutes of 1 hr 45min , but the thread that seems to be emerging is why are early outpatient remedies not being investigated by the ‘big institutions’ and why are remedies suggested from outside the ‘big institutions’ being generally discouraged/suppressed?





 

  • Fri, Jun 04, 2021 - 11:47am

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How do we all sue them for the last yr!? I mean mental  & physical distress! Plus financial, and they deserve to at everyone plus Gates foundation needs to as well as cdc and The Who! So Trump was right! Politicians and the elitists and celebs whoever involved need to get life in prison and all $$$ taken away ijs as a example!

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