Et tu New Hampshire?

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  • Thu, Jan 13, 2022 - 09:48pm

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    pinecarr

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    Et tu New Hampshire?

A few weeks ago, I wrote about how my home state of New York is becoming a more and more uncomfortable (authoritarian) place to live.  To the point where some of us are seriously considering moving, and are looking at other states that are more freedom-loving and concerned with their citizen’s rights.  One of the states on our list to consider was New Hampshire.

Well, you can scratch New Hampshire from that list!  I just read a story in the Epoch Times that is incredibly disturbing, and has eliminated consideration of NH as a state I would choose to move to.

Apparently, on Dec. 9th, the state’s Division of Children Youth and Family (DCYF) got an emergency order and tried to remove the children of one of NH’s top Conservatives, JR Hoell, from their home.  Why?  Because he had given his children ivermectin to treat their COVID.  [Oh, there are suspected underlying political motives as well].

“Luckily” for Hoell and his family, they were able to prevent their children being taken by NH’s DCYF for now.  But they are in a costly legal battle over the whole matter.

Here is the Epoch Times story: “Top NH Conservative Targeted by Child Services for Giving Son Ivermectin.  JR Hoell is the founder of a group critical of COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/top-nh-conservative-targeted-by-child-services-for-giving-son-ivermectin_4197926.html?slsuccess=1

And here’s another link with the story in case you need a subscription to read the Epoch Times article:  “Top NH Conservative Targeted by Child Services for Giving Son Ivermectin”  https://clarion.causeaction.com/2022/01/13/top-nh-conservative-targeted-by-child-services-for-giving-son-ivermectin/

The degree of over-reach by this state organization, and the willingness of medical personnel to throw their patients to these wolfs, is both shocking and extremely disturbing to me.  What parent can feel safe living in a state where something like this could happen to their family at any time?­­  And if this can happen in NH, is this what we have to look forward to in other states?

[Apologies if someone already posted about this previously]

 

  • Thu, Jan 13, 2022 - 10:30pm

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    Mike from Jersey

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    Reply To: Et tu New Hampshire?

I would not read too much into that.

This may sound extremely cynical but it is true.

Child Protective Services are notoriously underfunded. Apparently, they hire what they could afford on a limited budget. People they hire are often (quite honestly) stupid. One would think that protecting children would a high priority. And, one would think, that only the best would be hired. But that is not true. They hire what they can afford on the pittance that the State allocates. And often the people they can afford to hire are just plain dumb.

I practiced law for over four decades. And I saw this over and over again.

What you describe is not surprising to me at all.

  • Thu, Jan 13, 2022 - 10:34pm

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    den111

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Dennis RRT, RN, BS – I worked at Massachusetts General Hospital the last 22 years as a neonatal, pediatric, cardiac, and medical ICU ECMO specialist that did Medflight and shift supervisor 18-22 people for 22 years and did 7 years in MGH Partners Salem service and Cataldo Ambulance service before that.

I am waiting on a New Hampshire RRT license application for Concord/Laconia Hospital hoping for a religious exemption that is looking a little shacky with the Kavanaugh back stabbing at the moment but we shall see.

New Hampshire is infected with to many Massholes and it only gets worse.

  • Thu, Jan 13, 2022 - 11:32pm

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    Et tu New Hampshire?

That is a warning sign. In conservative strongholds child services is authoritarian as well but not to the point where they would go after someone with money or clout.

  • Thu, Jan 13, 2022 - 11:38pm

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    Just the most recent manifestation

Government using institutions and “science” to target and separate ones they deem undesirable, seems to be a recurring theme.

How the US stole thousands of Native American children

America’s eugenics movement (scientific consensus of the time!)

CPS data by state

Are the majority of cases of the state separating children today, because of legit reasons? Their past reputation makes me wonder.

  • Fri, Jan 14, 2022 - 08:44am

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    Et tu New Hampshire?

Not so fast pinecarr! Every state and county has a mix of people and no matter the overall makeup there will always be outliers. The same is true of NH. The state actually went for Hillary Clinton in 2016 by about 1% of the vote, but in Nov. 2020 the Republicans (not a monolithic group itself) took control of both houses of the legislature and retained the governorship. The Democrats actually ran a candidate who promised to create a state income tax and use it to pay for social programs popular in places like Massachusetts, Kalifornia and New York! 2021 was a year in which state govt moved steadily toward the conservative and libertarian. But it’s true that a lot of people who live here still hold “liberal”/“progressive”/even totalitarian values and ideas. The local joke is that they are all immigrants from Massachusetts so we refer to them (when they’re not listening) as Massholes. As you might imagine, they are concentrated in groups like social workers, government school teachers, health care workers, university professors, etc.

I have been able to see the divide clearly in respect to Covid. We have many of the “hysterical hypnotized” here who worship Pope Fauci AND we have the the rugged free-thinking individualists who have no use for him and what he represents. A neighbor down the street from me has a big 4’ x 10’ banner in his yard proclaiming “ARREST FAUCI”. The most common flags and banners on my street are 1. The Stars and Stripes, and 2. The Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”). I have one of each. 😁 Before the legislature flipped to Republican, NH was in the grip of “The Narrative” on Covid and the culture was rabid about vaccines, masks and social distancing. We regained our senses in 2021 since the free thinkers re-exerted their influence and the majority of all political persuasions have seemingly tired of the foolishness. My Concord city council just voted last week to resoundingly (4-11) NOT reinstitute a city government mask mandate in all public spaces which had been proposed. Without the mandate still 20% choose to mask up in public but “The Narrative” about Covid is on its last legs here.

I’ve noticed that family is intact and DCYF has lost their outrageous attempt at politically-tainted overreach. Next I would expect a successful retaliatory law suit against DCYF and a clarification of policies from the top of the agency ruling out that kind of foolishness in the future.

This kind of outlier incident can happen in any state or country. Nowhere and nobody are “pure.” As a recently arrived New Hampshire-ite, I encourage you to join us. I won’t hold it against you that you’re coming from NY state (as long as you promise not to send Covid infected people to nursing homes 😳😉). But if you come, realize it will take CONSTANT VIGILANCE to maintain our freedoms and you’ll be needed in that fight. But that’s exactly what the Founding Fathers warned us about when they created the Republic. CONSTANT VIGILANCE. We don’t have the luxury of complacency any more.

  • Fri, Jan 14, 2022 - 10:47am

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    Et tu New Hampshire? – Thanks for responses!

Thanks for your responses Mike from NJ, den111, Friedrichs_teeth, CatastrophicNewEngland and thc0655.

I knew you had moved to NH, thc0655, and so was hoping you’d pitch in!  I hear what you’re saying:

“I’ve noticed that family is intact and DCYF has lost their outrageous attempt at politically-tainted overreach. Next I would expect a successful retaliatory law suit against DCYF and a clarification of policies from the top of the agency ruling out that kind of foolishness in the future.

This kind of outlier incident can happen in any state or country. Nowhere and nobody are “pure.” As a recently arrived New Hampshire-ite, I encourage you to join us. I won’t hold it against you that you’re coming from NY state (as long as you promise not to send Covid infected people to nursing homes 😳😉). But if you come, realize it will take CONSTANT VIGILANCE to maintain our freedoms and you’ll be needed in that fight. But that’s exactly what the Founding Fathers warned us about when they created the Republic. CONSTANT VIGILANCE. We don’t have the luxury of complacency any more.”

What you are saying makes sense.  But I still wonder if there are other “freedom loving” states where such a thing would be less likely to occur, because a larger percentage of the populous would abhor such a thing.  Florida? Utah? Wyoming? South Carolina? Montana? Tennessee?  Other?  I get that constant vigilance will still be required.  But if we do make a move, it would like to get those “odds in our favor” to the highest degree possible! 🙂

P.S. One of my favorite take-away new terms from this thread is “Massholes”! Too funny; I got a good gut-laugh out of that one! (And no offense meant to Chris or others here from MA!)

  • Fri, Jan 14, 2022 - 11:10am

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    CatastrophicNewEngland

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    New Hampshire rant

From being a lifetime New Hampshire-er, I’ve noticed a few things. The classic NHer, whether D, R (neither of which mean the same things they did when baby boomers were of age, back before the state got overrun with domestic migrants), or unaffiliated, generally just want government to be small and not be intrusive in their lives. Because of the lack of state income tax, there has been a huge influx of people from MA, CT, NY, Anywhere USA, mostly city people, mostly wealthy, and many retired. That extra time and money allowed them the time (boredom?) to get involved in government, and then they implement ideals & policies in the local and state governments that they were used to from the areas they came from. Primarily the idea that people and governments have the right to tell others what they can and can’t do. And those ideas spread.

The ever increasing spending and taxation have to do with corporate infiltration of every aspect of society, as well as the influx of urban area policies and ideals of the wealthy. Now there is the big L Libertarian influx here, again primarily because of the lack of income tax, and probably partly due to our ironic license plate slogan. This combined with the baseline influx of flatlanders has caused a giant growth in property values. Since we only have a property wealth tax (and only on homes, not other forms of wealth as would make it less regressive), and no income tax, locals are pissed because their taxes have gone up astronomically. Home “value” and income/wealth, are far from proportional. Great for wealthy Libertarians and Boston/NYC retirees, bad for working class locals who want to stay living on their family land, or hope to own their own home, or those who just don’t want to play the hamster wheel dollar hoarding game.

Our state becoming a tax haven destination for those with money who in large have caused the rising expenses in the first place, and through carpetbaggery and mainstream political propagandic talking points have ensured the tax code protects themselves monetarily, doesn’t endear them to the locals. New Hampshire-ites just wanted to be left alone.

  • Fri, Jan 14, 2022 - 11:33am   (Reply to #7)

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    Mohammed Mast

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    Et tu New Hampshire? Pinecarr

I would highly recommend getting out of the Northeast.  I suggest getting Joel Skousen’s book “Strategic Relocation”

There are many factors to consider when contemplating where to live. One of which that is extremely important for anyone aware of the Three E’s (which you are) is energy. It takes far more energy to live in a cold climate than a temperate one.

There is a great migration from states like Ca. , Ny. etc for very good reasons.  Places like Texas, Florida, Utah and the South in general are a lot more individual freedom friendly.

NY in particular is controlled by , as Tucker Carlson would call them “cringing liberals” No thanks I will eat it here.

  • Fri, Jan 14, 2022 - 12:06pm

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    Et tu New Hampshire? THx MM

Thanks for your input, MM!  I’ll check out Joel Skousen’s book.

It is crazy how strongly we, in the rural areas outside of NY City (NYC) , are feeling the pressure/persecution of the liberal state government.  People used to talk about making the area around NYC its own state, as the more rural areas within NY were not accurately represented by the much more populous metro area.  And now we are feeling the consequences of that division!

 

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