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  • Fri, Feb 18, 2011 - 11:59pm

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    Wendy S. Delmater

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    Entitlement mentality? What entitelment mentality?

Percentage of Program Beneficiaries Who Report They “Have Not Used a Government Social Program”

Program “No, Have Not Used a Government Social Program”

529 or Coverdell 64.3

Home Mortgage Interest Deduction 60.0

Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax Credit 59.6

Student Loans 53.3

Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit 51.7

Earned Income Tax Credit 47.1

Social Security—Retirement & Survivors 44.1

Pell Grants 43.1

Unemployment Insurance 43.0

Veterans Benefits (other than G.I. Bill) 41.7

G.I. Bill 40.3

Medicare 39.8

Head Start 37.2

Social Security Disability 28.7

Supplemental Security Income 28.2

Medicaid 27.8

Welfare/Public Assistance 27.4

Government Subsidized Housing 27.4

Food Stamps 25.4

Source: Suzanne Mettler, “Reconstituting the Submerged State: The Challenge of Social Policy Reform in the Obama Era,” Perspectives on Politics (September 2010): 809.

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 01:11am

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    Re: Entitlement mentality? What entitelment mentality?

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Percentage of Program Beneficiaries Who Report They “Have Not Used a Government Social Program”

Program “No, Have Not Used a Government Social Program” 529

Coverdell 64.3

Home Mortgage Interest Deduction 60.0

Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax Credit 59.6

Student Loans 53.3

Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit 51.7

Earned Income Tax Credit 47.1

Social Security—Retirement & Survivors 44.1

Pell Grants 43.1

Unemployment Insurance 43.0

Veterans Benefits (other than G.I. Bill) 41.7

G.I. Bill 40.3

Medicare 39.8

Head Start 37.2

Social Security Disability 28.7

Supplemental Security Income 28.2

Medicaid 27.8

Welfare/Public Assistance 27.4

Government Subsidized Housing 27.4

Food Stamps 25.4

Source: Suzanne Mettler, “Reconstituting the Submerged State: The Challenge of Social Policy Reform in the Obama Era,” Perspectives on Politics (September 2010): 809.

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Safewrite

I reformatted this for clarity, but I still am not sure I understand it.  Does this mean for example that 60% of the people who have claimed a Home Mortgage Interest Deduction say they have not used a government social program? 

What does this data mean to you?

That people who say they are against government programs are often the beneficiaries, but don’t recognize or acknowledge it?

They are so pervasive that they are taken as our due — we are entitled?

We are so socialistic we are too far gone to save?

There are many ways to view this.  What are you thinking?

Travlin 

 

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 01:16am

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    Carl Veritas

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    Re: Entitlement mentality? What entitelment mentality?

Social Policy Reform.    You mean the Tax Code?

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 03:02am

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All the same questions as Travlin.

In America we have a massive entitlement mentality.  It has permeated our society and become a way of life for millions of people.  It is amazing.  What happened to an honest days work, pride in supporting ones family, being responsible, and be self sufficient ?  All of these were the fundamentals that America was founded on and cherished and worked within for 200 years and we did good.  We did real good.  We started with nothing and created created enormous wealth and security for millions of people.  Then something happened.  Something really bad happened.  We lost our roots and our way.  And now what used to be called “normal” is now called “right wing”.  Why is that ?  What happened to us ?  Why have we failed ?

 

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 04:23am

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Then something happened.  Something really bad happened.  We lost our roots and our way.  And now what used to be called “normal” is now called “right wing”.  Why is that ?  What happened to us ?  Why have we failed ?

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It all started with that evil rock n roll music.  Remember our parents said it would lead to ruin?  Cool 

Travlin 

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 03:47pm

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 Proverbs 1     the wisdom  did not get passed down  or was rejected .  Now we pay the piper.

FM

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 04:48pm

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    dshields wrote:All the same

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All the same questions as Travlin.

In America we have a massive entitlement mentality.  It has permeated our society and become a way of life for millions of people.  It is amazing.  What happened to an honest days work, pride in supporting ones family, being responsible, and be self sufficient ?  All of these were the fundamentals that America was founded on and cherished and worked within for 200 years and we did good.  We did real good.  We started with nothing and created created enormous wealth and security for millions of people.  Then something happened.  Something really bad happened.  We lost our roots and our way.  And now what used to be called “normal” is now called “right wing”.  Why is that ?  What happened to us ?  Why have we failed ?

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Well, let’s see. I do work a full time job. I am the sole breadwinner for my family. I work in the private sector. I am NOT in a union and there are no union members where I work. There are millions of Americans like me.

I’ve never been on Food Stamps or social security. However, I attended college and received Pell grants and Federal-subsidized student loans. I paid off my loans to Sallie Mae and Wells Fargo. I have taken time off for the birth of my twin sons under the Family Medical Leave Act – which wasn’t something the Republicans and Big Business were eager to see passed, but I bet many of you – conservatives and liberals alike – have used or are glad is there for you.

I work an 8-hour day, 40-hours per week, and am paid over-time occasionally. Though oftentimes I have also worked an extra 30 minutes to 2 hours for free because I didn’t get that authorized overtime but still had work to do and the corporation I work for has turned a blind eye, I am mindful that the American labor movement as helped. Can you believe bakers in San Francisco actually went on strike in the early 1900s trying to get a 12-hour work day rather than a 16-hour work day? Or that unions fought for the weekend. Or that unions have fought for an 8-hour day and thus have helped normalize the actual idea of an 8-hour day. I am also mindful that child labor laws and public education means that children (not necessarily mine) won’t have to be “breaker boys” in a coal mine somewhere, breathing coal dust and getting lung disease.

I won’t bore you with the details, but I once spent a summer working in a plastics molding factory 6-days per week, without air conditioning, in a tropical country, breathing the plastic fumes. They’ve never heard of mandatory rest breaks of 10 minutes every 4 hours, or filter masks, or overtime pay. I was actually called out for trying to make trouble for telling them of labor conditions in the U.S. As a teenager, I’ve worked in farm fields in the United States alongside migrant farm laborers, and sprayed pesticides from a leaky backpack sprayer without protective equipment other than the T-shirt on my back to soak up the chemicals and a handkerchief over my nose.

So while I think some union abuses are great and have railed especially against UAW and government employee union excesses and stupidity, I am also mindful that without unions, corporations in America would still be paying workers in company script, redeemable only at the company store, union protests would be broken up by armed government troops or paid thugs. In fact, that’s what we see in the rest of the world, where workers – including children – toil in sweat shops in unsanitary, unhealthful conditions, soemtimes going months without pay, as they do American factories (or especially 3rd-party-suppliers’ factories – so American corporations can pretend to keep their hands clean) in Mexico, China, Bangladesh, Saipan, etc. Everything is masked by capitalism, because in capitalism, commodity is a commodity no matter if it was made from trees illegally logged, or made in a Chinese prison tannery where workers breathe harsh acids and handle chemicals with their naked hand, or children sewed the clothes, or people in the fields were sprayed with pesticides from a cropduster.

I actually, however, think what used to be called “moderate” is now called “liberal” by a reactionary right that has managed to redefine the language of politics into an extreme of “you’re either with us, or against us”. Somehow, some of my American values of freedom, family, and personal responsibility have become co-opted as conservative values that apparently liberals can’t have – while others of my just-as-American values of fighting for fairness, or decent working conditions, or laws and regulations on the excesses of corporations have become demonized as liberal values or socialist..

Poet

  • Sat, Feb 19, 2011 - 07:43pm

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    poisonivy113

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    Re: Entitlement mentality? What entitelment mentality?

Judge Andrew Napolitano’s book  “Constitution in Exile” explains a lot of this. It’s a bit infuriating to read, actually- it also showed me how much the history taught in schools has been perverted to fit a political agenda. 

  • Sun, Feb 20, 2011 - 02:37pm

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    Wendy S. Delmater

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    Travlin, response

Travlin,

I do not think government programs will solve all the world’s ills. Neither do I think that they are nessicarilly evil. But they all come with a price – a price we are increasingly unable to afford as a society.These programs will be severely modified or eliminated in the not-too-distant future. What I found amazing was the large percentage of people who did not realize these programs are taxpayer funded. Nothing more or less was my motive for posting this. One of the ways our lives will change is when the current unsustainable situations crumbles and such assistance will not be available any more. I myself had, at one time, and FHA mortgage and a government student loan. Look at the list. Many of us have participated in one or more of these programs.

One more thing. There is a “holier-than-thou” sort of look down the nose from some conservatives: a sense that they are better than “those people on welfare” and that they are oh-so righteous because THEY don’t use up taxpayer dollars. I’m a conservative, my preious post rather prove that–especially on the Glenn Beck thread–and the belief this study uncovers, that the average American has not used a “government social program”, rather boggles my mind. We ALL use these programs.

By posting this study I’m not saying that these are bad programs or good programs, or that goverment programs per se are good or bad. I’m saying that we, as a society, do not seem to realize that they are funded via taxpayers.

  • Sun, Feb 20, 2011 - 05:22pm

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    “Home Mortgage Interest

“Home Mortgage Interest Deduction 60.0:”

Is this a social program? I don’t think so. Actually I think it’s just the other way: The little guy who pay no tax can’t deduct anything. High incomes however enjoy an lower net interest rate and therefore can afford an even bigger house…

So if this is a social program unlike some of the other ones the wealthier you are the more you benefit from it. As a matter of fact, a country like France far more “socialist” than the US got rid of mortgage interest deduction a long time ago for this very reason.

 

 

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