Elderberry as an Antiviral?

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  • Tue, Jun 02, 2020 - 08:04pm

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    Elderberry as an Antiviral?

When CV19 started I saw the article that said elderberry syrup was as effective as Tamiflu in preventing the flu. We also know that HCQ works with zinc to disrupt viruses from replicating. My question is, does elderberry syrup work like HCQ to disrupt viruses from replicating within cells? Since I’m locked down away from home, it may be difficult to get HCQ quickly. If I start having CV19 symptoms I’d have to find a new Doctor who would prescribe HCQ before I get test results and then start taking it within 24-48 hours. That seems unlikely given my situation. If elderberry syrup works the same way, couldn’t I take that with zinc?

  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 12:23am

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    Elderberry as an Antiviral?

Elderberry has been tested on several virus types.. It slows the replication of flu and cold (coronvirus ) there is no reason to think, that this can slow the replication if taken early and help boost immunity in general.   I think there was discussion whether it would or could cause cytokine storm.. that is where the C and D and quercetin come in.   NAC too.

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    Elderberry as an Antiviral?

Elderberry has 2.5 x more quercetine than red onions. Quercetine is a HCQ substitute and a zinc ionophore.

https://www.sharecare.com/health/immune-lymphatic-system-health/high-quercetin-help-immune-system

We should all go out and pick a few buckets of elderberries this summer, and concentrate the juice by boiling most of the water off, sweeten it, put some apple (because of the pectine) in it to make it syrupy, and have a few bottles for the winter.

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    Quercetin + Zinc if you can’t get a perscription for HCQ (+ Zinc)

Hi Mr. Fri,

As others are pointing out to you here, you may want to look at Quercetin + zinc as an HCQ substitute that doesn’t require a perscription.  One of the other threads here has a discussion going on about it; see posts #127+ on https://www.peakprosperity.com/garbage-science-be-wary-of-what-youre-being-told/

Chris discusses the use of Quercetin + Zinc as part of his regimen in his video from 4/10/20, “Boosting Your Immune System In Defense Against Coronavirus” at 22:41.

Chris’s video from 5-8-2020 also gives the Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS) COVID-19 protocol, which includes specifications of the use of Quercetin and Zinc.  Or you can find that info here, at the EVMS website.  I had to look up some of the dosing terminology; “bid” means twice daily.

Finally, here’s a paper that talks about how Quercetin and Zinc work together, “Covid-19: Chloroquine, Zinc and Quercetin”  

Good luck!

  • Wed, Jun 03, 2020 - 10:46am

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    Elderberry as an Antiviral?

Thanks Pinecarr for the useful links. I’m not surprised that you have your finger on the pulse of what’s what at PP. It’s great to have all these links in one place.

I’ve watched all of Chris’ videos starting from January when he first gave a warning on PP.  A few seeks ago we started taking Quercetin and Zinc per the EVMS protocol, but I didn’t know it worked like HCQ so I’ll have to read the info you referenced. I haven’t been able to be on PP for a while since we’re not at home and have been taking a few fast-paced online classes for work. (Our 60+ brains are a little slower than when we went to University so it’s taking a lot of our time.) I very much appreciate the PP community and the support we find from each other.

  • Thu, Jun 04, 2020 - 05:22am

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You might want to also look at Cod Liver Oil in addition. In Norway they swear by it. It is loaded with Vitamin A and D. It has beeen their winter cold remedy and preventative for years. The best form to take is the expensive liquid kind, or you can buy cheaper capsules of it. In any case CM has discussed how in Scandinavia death rates were lower than Spain and Italy. He highlighted that the Vit D levels were higher up north for dietary reasons. This is one of the reasons imho. People up in Scandinavia also tend to very active outdoors which also helps a ton. Vitamin D has been highlighted by Dr John Campbell in his videos as critical also.

Another thing that has not been highlighted is that when people catch a “Cold” that the natural solution is to catch a “Hot” to counter it. Safely raising your body temperature can help a lot. There are many ways to do this, sit by a fire or a woodstove, sit in a hot tub, sauna, outside if it is hot out etc. In the Summer the best thing to do would be to get out of the Air Conditioning  or any cooler place get and into the sun and the heat. Don’t be cold when you have a cold. Especially keep your head warm.If I get a head cold in the winter I will sit by the woodstove in the winter and purposely try to get my face and head as warm as I can stand. I will do this by spending like 5 minute intervals of heat where I put my face close to the fire to warm it. Once I reach peak heat so to speak, then I back away for a few or rotate my head to a different position and repeat. Doing this I have literally gotten rid of a cold overnight for what it is worth. We need to think like our ancestors did to beat these things. They didn’t have all the medicines we have today, but then again they didn’t have to face bioweapons either!

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    Is Zinc bad? Zinc alternatives?

Careful with the Zinc. Although it is the number one complement to HCQ that is talked about, not many are mentioning the effect of Zinc being the INCREASE in clotting. So Zinc could be a factor in the cases of Kawasaki Disease, thrombosis and micro-thrombosis.

Other micronutrients that are known as good immuno-regulators — in the same way as Zinc — are Copper, Magnesium and possibly Manganese. Out of these, I think Magnesium could be the best candidate because it is a blood thinner or anticoagulant.

Cheers
Ross (not a doctor)

  • Sun, Jun 07, 2020 - 08:06pm

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    Zinc Bad?

Nope,  I would not even think this for a moment.   More likely to have a zinc deficiency than too much, it is required for way too many metabolic actions.   There are recommended limits ..  20mg -25mg is the upper limit for daily supplementation.  You could take zinc up to 50 during illness, as you are likely going to require more.  or for short periods of time.   Yes all supplements in experiments do have some side effects- usually you have to take large amounts or for long duration to have these.   Or have an unbalanced diet… The biggest issue with long-term zinc is it opposes copper.   But due to copper pipes , chocolate and other copper rich foods,  its more likely to have a zinc imbalance , requiring supplementation

  • Wed, Jun 10, 2020 - 11:45am

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    Elderberry as an Antiviral?

There are recommended limits .. 20mg -25mg is the upper limit for daily supplementation. You could take zinc up to 50 during illness, as you are likely going to require more. or for short periods of time.

The EVMS says to take 75-100 mg of zinc for up to 2 months. I’ve been doing that for a month now. Looks like I need to look into backing off my zinc intake.

  • Wed, Jun 10, 2020 - 01:40pm

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    Zinc

This link may be of use to anyone’s quest to research details regarding supplements (re: zinc in this case):   https://examine.com/supplements/zinc/

Personally, after trying several forms of the supplement, zinc picolinate (low dose) has been the only form that hasn’t caused nausea for me.  Your individual mileage may vary; therefore, caveat emptor.

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