Do viruses cause disease?

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  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 01:13pm

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    MariRose

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    Do viruses cause disease?

I understand this is an incredibly controversial topic.  Please bear with me.

i’ve never been a big fan of germ theory and somehow intuitively never feared viruses. Of course illnesses exist but it seem to me that a healthy terrain is the best medicine.  The theory goes that the real cause of diseases are deficiency and toxic exposure.

i’ve been diving into information from Thomas Cowan, Andrew Kaufman and Sam Bailey.  All are doctors who are deeply looking into the science of virology.  They state the following:

1- no virus has ever been isolated and purified

2-no one has ever proven respiratory contagion (In fact repeated studies during the Spanish flu failed to provide any evidence whatsoever of respiratory contagion.)

3- Of course, people do get sick. But illnesses can be traced back to deficiencies and/toxic exposures.

I find this topic fascinating. It explains why some people just don’t get sick even with repeated exposure.

I understand that everything we know about Covid is built around it being a contagious virus and anybody who questions this may be met with violent objection. But science demands that we be open minded And willing to consider all the evidence, Not just the evidence that supports your point of view.

I’m a nurse. And before you freak out and assume that I’m killing my patients please be aware that I follow the rules, wear my mask, wash my hands and reluctantly take all the requisite shots.  I also eat healthy fresh organic food, do yoga, hike, avoid toxin as much as possible and try to keep my mind peaceful.

I am merely asking questions and would love to have an open dialogue.

thoughts?

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:17pm

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    Kathy

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    Two years ago I would have said you were nuts

So much so, that I have spent my life going to bed with wet hair and running around without a coat, cause “colds came from viruses, not being cold.”

What I have learned about the politics of science over the last 18 months has made  me question all sorts of things.   Sure we’ve all heard of Galileo and the earth is not the  center of the solar system thing, so this politicalization of science is nothing new.

I do have to wonder what was going on during the germ vs terrain theory battle.  Who was pulling which levers and why?  What would big pharma and our medical industry look like if the terrain theory had been the victor and everything learned about that in high school biology.

I did watch the Sam Bailey YT video awhile ago.  I think like everything else, there is a combination.  Yes viruses exist, yes they can make people sick but just like a castle you can have a moat with alligators and snakes or one with frogs and goldfish.

Still going to bed with wet hair!

Kathy

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:20pm

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    Both viruses and bacteria and other microorganisms cause diseases.

But, all that being said, building up your immune system or your terrain is essential to remaining healthy. Reducing the amount of total exposures and quantitatively to the number of toxins or invaders at a time matters.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:37pm

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    Do viruses cause disease?

Viruses do exist and sort of cause disease.  You can clearly watch within a household a contagion spread from one person to another.  So we know that the disease is spread.  In the military they give you a “cold pill” ( though i think that they stopped that about 20 years ago )  and the cold pill did induce a cold.

However, most of what people associate with symptoms are not the pathogen, but body’s response to it.  So, I always wondered, why cant your body just ignore it ? will you be sick?  obviously we know steroids can suppress immune response, yet it has never been answer to out-living pathogens.

Viruses have always hijacked your cellular machinery to do its stuff.  where bacteria do not.  My personally belief is viruses are artificially made  ( by someone or something )  They are not of nature.  And that they actually are responsible for a good amount of the DNA in  Humans.   They may be nothing more than a way, we as humans, are manipulated through a huge gene “zoo” experiment.     You have to use your imagination here , to what the implications are and why we are humans today and yet have tons of dna from primates. ( which are much more unchanged over millions of years )

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 02:46pm

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    There is a transmissible agent involved here….

So much of what we have seen fits a model whereby a transmissible agent (let’s call it a virus) is involved.  We have seen various super spreader events and cluster events that speak to this being the correct model.  The success of the combination of early treatment, and early (or prophylactic treatment) of contacts in Uttar Pradesh speaks to that shutting down the transmission chain.  We run virus research labs with people handling the (most dangerous) virus samples in positive pressure full containment suits… and as we have learned cloth masks do very little if anything to stop the transmission.  This all fits a model that says that there is a transmissible agent that we call a virus.

Discussion of the compare contrast of exosomes vs virus is interesting.  The denial of the existence of these particles, and all the details that we know about them (i.e. enveloped vs non-enveloped, RNA vs DNA, etc) is silly and a distraction IMO.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 03:05pm

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    Do viruses cause disease?

Viruses can be seen under an electron microscope.

https://www.microscope.com/education-center/articles/coronavirus-under-an-electron-microscope

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 03:27pm

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    Friedrichs_teeth

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    Do viruses cause disease?

Some viruses cause sickness (I think of disease more along the lines of a breakdown of the body to repair itself). Some do not. Sometimes the sickness is just an immune overreaction. Sometimes it is caused by the way the virus operates.

I can’t wrap my head around the fact that people deny their existence. How does that work? Think about chicken pox. If there is no varcilla roster virus, how did chicken pox parties work? You can see them under a microscope, but you are trying to say that they have never been isolated. What does that even mean? If you can see it on a microscope does that not mean it has been isolated? If you can splice together two different viruses, doesn’t that mean you started with 2 different viruses?

Yes, you are more likely to get a virus when you are deficient or have toxic overload but how on earth do you get to the point that you deny that viruses exist? I’m just really confused by this argument. Who started it and how do they support it? There doesn’t seem to be any logic behind it besides, the unsupported fact that it hasn’t been isolated.

At some point, this gets in to the nature of reality & what exactly “life” may be. They say something like 8 to 10 percent of the human genome is viral in origin. What exactly IS a virus, but a transport vehicle that exchanges genetic instructions between cells and between lifeforms? Did they just happen to co-evolve with other life, hacking biological systems in order to do their own thing, or are they the main force guiding evolutionary processes? How much do we know about the majority of viruses that do not cause or are associated with disease? Since they can’t exist without cellular life, where did they come from? Did they somehow mutate from normal signaling particles like exosomes and become transmissible between lifeforms, something like the contagious CTVT cancer cells in dogs?

At the most basic level, lifeforms are just electrochemical machines that on a cellular level are programmed to do specific functions based on what signals they receive. Not binary machines like humans have created, but many orders of magnitude more complex at the basic level. As communicable new code that interacts with and programs certain cells, the role that viruses play in the bigger picture, is not really understood.

Always reducing it to binary like humans like to do, “Virus A causes disease B”, even if that is true, it is way too oversimplified.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 05:27pm

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    Disco Bear

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    cross sectional views of SARS-CoV-2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ0MYmKY8_U&t=7969s

Watch the video (Dr. Fleming’s Masterclass on SARS-CoV-2) for a few seconds and you will see various cross sectional views of the virus.  It’s like looking at a CT Scan of the virus.

  • Tue, Dec 07, 2021 - 07:35pm

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    CatastrophicNewEngland

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    Cowan on the Heart

I heard an interesting Thomas Cowan interview about his idea that the heart is not a pump. He posits that it functions as a regulator to slow the flow and keep the blood moving at the correct rate. It’s above my pay grade to completely understand, but I found it interesting and would love to hear it picked apart by experts.

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