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  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 02:00am

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    ao

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    mule musings

[quote=jrf29]

A mule will help me grow the crops.  A mule is self-fueling, self-repairing, it makes fertilizer, has a sense of personality, and automatically produces little copies of itself from time to time.  As an added bonus if you fall asleep while driving, it remembers the way home.  Plus, in that world, the condition of the roads would be such that you wouldn’t be travelling faster than 15mph. in any case.

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Uh, sorry but generally no.  Remember, they’re hybrids and usually infertile.  And they do take some maintenance.  But I agree, they’re a decent choice.

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 02:07am

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    Re: mule musings

[quote=ao]Uh, sorry but generally no.  Remember, they’re hybrids and usually infertile.[/quote]

Touché . . . I couldn’t remember that was a mule or a donkey.  You can tell I’m really banking on that motor scooter!

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 04:04am

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    earthwise

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    Imagine this.

[quote=Rihter]

I try and imagine the world without liquid fuels. It’s really hard. There are going to be a lot of angry people without their atv’s, suv’s, snowmobiles, and joy rides in their own personal vehicle.

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Not to mention a whole lot of pissed-off NASCAR fans.

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 07:12am

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    Saffron

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    Imagine this

[quote=earthwise]

[quote=Rihter]

I try and imagine the world without liquid fuels. It’s really hard. There are going to be a lot of angry people without their atv’s, suv’s, snowmobiles, and joy rides in their own personal vehicle.

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Not to mention a whole lot of pissed-off NASCAR fans.

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We can probably push peak oil out for at least a decade if we just scrap NASCAR now.

~ s … ducking

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 07:22am

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    Alright, if I do have to

Alright, if I do have to finally park my ’93 Geo Metro- did I mention it gets 50mpg? :^)- I want a rig like the one the old African guy drove in “The Gods Must Be Crazy”.   Anybody got plans??  Aloha, Steve.

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 08:45am

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    Re: Suppose for a second some

[quote=Aaron Moyer]

Suppose for a second some people are able to produce their own fuel from thir own stock.

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Yes, me, driving on wood, grown on my own lot. It showed me the hard way that people like Heinberg and Kunstler are right. Trying to keep personal transportation going by biofuels is a desperate move. Not a long term solution. It cannot be scaled up, the basic car itself wears out to a point where no parts are available and it creates a situation with haves and have-nots. All attempts are temporary and personal solutions.

Here, in lowlands Western Europe, we are lucky to have our ancient structure of small cities surrounded by agricultural land. We do not need much transportation. I think that is the direction to go: avoid excessive transportation and move to a place with a mild climate, where all you need for a simple life is available. Forget present standards of living.

In the end, all our future problems boil down to consumption and population, both grown beyond sustainability. Most post peak books I’ve read can be summarized by that one sentence.

Regards, DJ

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 09:19am

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    15 acres, is what i came up

15 acres, is what i came up with several years ago. Our farm,465acres would require 15acres of BOSS to [produce the fuel to make her go. This fuel would bee for several tractors, 4 hours of el;ectricity/day and home heat. The cake residue would be animal feed.

not efficient, not worth it. gotta milk its early can’t type with cold hands robie 

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 10:05am

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    Distance from source is key

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Personally, I’d like a mule…

What I have is a couple of leg-powered bicycles for the family, and the fact that I moved seven miles from a sustainably small population center on the edge of a rural community. It’s not how you get “there” so much as how far “there” is.

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I vote for the mule/donkey/oxen option too. As noted above, current transportation patterns are flat impossible post-peak. And the spare parts issue is real.

But, disregarding the parts issue, check this out: http://www.solarcarandtractor.com/Home.html

Be Well,

FJ

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 12:41pm

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    Rihter

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    Solarcarandtractor.com

I had an opportunity to speak with Mr. Howe on the phone last November. His son has a car that runs 100% off solar, and has enough battery power to run a concert stage for a significant period of time.

If the goal is to haul, move earth, or travel a short distance, I can see Mr. Howe’s electric option being viable. However, Marcin at http://openfarmtech.org/ is proving that you can recycle steel, and extract aluminum locally and small scale. His techniques need some refining, but there getting close.

Liquid fuels may be going away when it comes to millions of personal vehicles, but the idea of a family hauler, or a scooter to go to “town”, or out to the “farm”, is plausible.

 

  • Mon, Feb 28, 2011 - 03:35pm

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    Mules

Safewrite

I second your comment about mules – great animals and always ready to do the job. A friend of ours has one over 40 years old and still able to work 

Jim

 

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