Definancialisation Deglobalisation Relocalisation – Orlov

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  • Fri, Jun 19, 2009 - 01:23am

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    Re: Definancialisation Deglobalisation Relocalisation – …

Thanks Don for the Dmitry update. I originally became a fan of his when you posted a video of one of his speeches about 6 months back. Whether the collapse that he forecasts comes to pass or not, I find great value in his vision of the no-money, natural way of life. If you could be inspired by poverty, and the "riches" that it brings, Dimtry is the man to lead you there.

Thanks again for the update.

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Hi Becky-

   Yeah, I agree re the stockpiling!  It’s at least something empowering that we can do, and I think there are a lot of scenarios where that could make a difference.  So I too will keep stockpiling, while continuing to take actions to move more and more towards sustainability. 

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Its nice to see ourselves outside the group think and be able to explain the prevalent dissbelief (in our reality) in terms that make it both more bearable and understandable. Knowledge is power. Is it really better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied though? 

Don, that’s a big question!!  If things don’t really fall apart for quite a while, we sweat out those months or years while others live happily along without the burden of these worries, or the time spent in actions in response to them.  I was actually quite happy to see Orlov come right out and speak to that, saying that the aware person has to actually choose to bring the pain on earlier (proactively).  The alternative is waiting until the pain hits in its own time, and then being forced to face it reactively, when so many of the opportunities still available to us now have been lost!  I thought that was well said. 

  • Fri, Jun 19, 2009 - 05:15am

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Perhaps we have a worry quotient that will fill up anyhow. We can at least tell ourselves that we have the moral high ground because we are worrying the big issues.  Whats clear though is that once we ‘believe’ then we have little choice and that seems to include preparing. It probably has more psychological value than other.

What do I do with all this wheat that is now approaching five years old. We’ve used up almost all the coffee beans OK and that went really well. Cheap green beans will never be that cheap again. Can’t afford to buy another five years supply though (50kg). Maybe max the credit card but my nature won’t let me. Fortunately the wheat is cheap. As time gets on my definition of survival is almost constantly being rewritten closer to the floor.

Don

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As time gets on my definition of survival is almost constantly being rewritten closer to the floor.

Don

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The floor ain’t so bad IMO.  Untold generations lived on it.  It’ll do okay.  Though I’ll miss the ‘Net if it comes to that…

Viva — Sager

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I’m a big fan or Orlov. I can’t get enough of his writings and eagerly await new posts to show up on my RSS reader. He didn’t disappoint with his latest presentation. I appreciate that he gives specifics on how to approach life given a future that will be so different from anything we currently know. He makes me feel OK about doing the bare minimum to hold onto my well paying, but ultimately pointless job while I spend my energies on preparing for a very different future. He certainly lights my fire 🙂

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Dmitry has put up an errata. He had claimed that oil had to reach 25% of GDP. He meant energy and that translates to 6%. The argument is still the same just the figures change. I found his argument for crash cycles to be one of his most innovate pieces of his thinking.

[quote=Dmitry]economic recovery -> oil price spike -> economic crash. Repeat as often as it takes to learn the lesson: no more growth is possible.[/quote]

It makes more sense of recent ‘green shoots’. It also gives us a model to compare the future (and maybe the past) with.

Don

 

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