Crossing into the “Radiation Zone” of UFOs

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  • Thu, May 16, 2013 - 09:08pm

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    the need for secrecy

Its pretty clear there's life out there, my only question is, why the big need for secrecy about it all?  Plots to keep alien visitors secret always felt like tinfoil-hat stuff because I was missing the motivation.  It just never made sense to me until I listened to all these videos.  Now – the story definitely hangs together a lot better.  Thanks for posting them.  It's all about energy.

Given who I am, this makes me want to sketch out all the systems that suddenly become worth a lot less if such (energy production) technology were to appear one day.  I want to ask the question: who loses, who wins, and what are the unintended consequences?

If it happened, literally trillions of dollars of market cap would vanish as the market sorted through the implications and "marked down" all the infrastructure that had just been made obsolete.  Also, its not clear what industry would win.  There would appear to be plenty of losers, some would be more or less unaffected, but very few winners.  Well except for actual people at the lower end.  But people with wealth would find much of it destroyed, because much of our stored wealth today is based on the (fractional) ownership of the current bits of infrastructure that provides or makes use of current energy sources.

And the current powers (with soon-to-be-obsolete military tech) with their control over old-style energy production – suddenly irrelevant.  No longer powerful.  Who wants to become irrelevant, especially after being on the top for so long?  What happened to the battleship fleets once the carrier proved superior?

The story does all hang together for me.  We've seen so many manipulations, so many things that have come out recently that have shown various parts of our civilization that have been artificially distorted by institutions that were presumably trustworthy, it would seem almost surprising if it weren't the case here too.

One more little tidbit – unintended consequence: gold becomes as common as dirt because of asteroid mining!  Goldbugs beware!

  • Thu, May 16, 2013 - 11:41pm

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    Dave,Dr. Greer acknowledges

Dave,

Dr. Greer acknowledges the enormous changes that "free" energy would bring to the economic system. He talks about what could be done to mitigate the sea changes involved. He's mindful of the winners/losers when energy is freely available to all. It would certainly level the field when a poor African farmer can utilize the same energy as the plutocrat in one of the developed nations. We would have a more egalitarian society and one where human potential could be developed unlike any other time in history.

From Disclosure page 494: "The advanced countries of the world must be prepared to put systems in place to assure the exclusive peaceful use of such energy and propulsion advances. Economic and industrial interests should be prepared so that those aspects of our economy which will be adversely affected (commodities, oil, gas, coal, public utilities, engine manufacturing, etc) can be cushioned from sudden reversals and be economically "hedged" by investing in and supporting new energy infrastructure."

Enjoyed your gold joke!

Joyce

  • Fri, May 17, 2013 - 11:23pm

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    interesting topic

My  husband is considered the leading authority on media and govt complicity in the ufo cover-up. He wrote an award winning book on the subject and has been on Coast to Coast and numerous other radio shows. I've been on the inside of this area of study, by proxy, for many years.

Greer can be appreciated for being a very intelligent, high energy, charismatic individual who can get things done. He managed to corral a large number of highly credible witnesses for his Disclosure conference and obviously was impressive enough to find backers for this film. All good….

I trust the information presented by most of his witnesses but I would be very careful about placing too much faith in the man himself. His penchant for smearing scholars of the phenomenon as 'disinfo agents' when they disagree with him on technicalities, earns him a failing grade in objectivity and basic courtesy.

 I don't quite get his insistence that alien visitations are always friendly, and if some appear  not to be they must be human sponsored military mind control operations.  There is nothing to indicate this is always the case. There are likely many species involved here and heavy use of mimetics and theatrics by these advanced beings themselves, is a more likely explanation. At some point you just have to say, 'something is going on and I don't know wtf its intentions are'

His conclusions seem to be as premature and  fundamentalist as the 'angel versus devil', debates that  preocuppy religious fundamentalists. He may prove to be correct in the long run, but caution should always be exercised when dealing with the unknown.

  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 01:39am

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    Assertions.

Greer's entire spiel is a string of assertions. Most unsatisfactory. I can assert that the moon is made of green cheese. Charismatic or not, the moon won't yield to my assertion.

 

Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?

Psychology today.

No

But I do require evidence. Or at least a cogent argument. The best evidence that I can come up with is the incredible technology that we take for granted today. Are us apes truly capable of producing a cell phone?

The fact that the puttative aliens are humanoid might be due to convergent evolution. (Only humanoid life forms are capable of developing technology). This is an example of a cogent argument.

 

  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 09:28am

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    Extraordinary Claims and Extraordinary Evidence

I am really enjoying everyone's posts! So many interesting perspectives are presented.  

I find Arthur's comment about convergent evolution quite thought provoking.  Another possibility is that a very ancient civiization could have "seeded" their DNA to other planets.  Those civilizations then evolve to the point where they learn interstellar travel and seed other planets, ….  wash rinse, repeat for a few billion years with liberal genetic splicing and tweaking, and you have a galaxy or perhaps even a universe teaming with intelligent, bipedal, humanoid life forms.  Zachariah Sitchen spent a lifetime translating ancient Sumerian texts that date to about 10,000 B.C. These texts suggest we humans were created when visiting ETs spiced some of their genes into an already existing primative hominid.  Supposedly we look like them, but we are 5 to 6 feet tall rather 10 to 12 feet tall.  Sitchen has written many books, but if this interests you a book called "The Twelfth Planet" is a good place to start.

I do believe extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but that evidence is all around us.  I think part of the problem is that thanks to mass media, and so called "debunkers", we have been conditioned to believe that such things as UFOs and ETs are unlikely if not impossible.  Therefore, most people ignore it out of hand without giving it the consideration and analysis it deserves.  Public ridicule and scorn are powerful tools for controlling behaviour.  Reporters and mainstream journalists learn early in their careers that pursuing such topics can be a real career killer. 

I find most of what Dr. Greer says to be highly credible but I don't agree that all species who have visited, or are visiting, our planet are necessarily 100% benevolent.  As another poster wisely said, we don't yet know enough about all the different species that we are dealing with to know with certainty what there individual agenda's might be.  

For those of you who desire more evidence to consider in deciding whether or not UFO's are "real" here are a few more things to look at and think about…

1) Rather than just listening to what Dr. Greer has to say, listen to the testimony of his many extremely credible witnesses by watching all of the Disclosure Project Press Conference that was held back in 2001.  Here is the link… http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=lkswXVmG4xM 

2) Go to the Internet and search for Puma Punku.  Seek out pictures and video.  Look with your own eyes at the massive stone "H" blocks and other massive stones found there. One of the stones that makes up the large terrace is 7.8 meters by 5 meters by 1 meter thick and weighs about 131 metric tons!  Bebunkers would have us believe it was moved with vine ropes and log rollers. I am pretty strong, but the most I can drag under ideal conditions is about 300 pounds and I cannot go far without a rest. Rough math suggests you would need 960 people doing the pulling and the ropes would need a collective tensile strength of perhaps as little as 150,000 pounds, but that is still 60 ropes if each could pull 2500 pounds without breaking.  I admit levers from behind might help if you could get them under the end but there would only be room for about 10 lever pushers so how much help would that be?  It seems to me this would be pretty tough sledding.  I submit that if the Incas were the ones to build it, they would have been smart enough to use much smaller rocks!   Indeed that is exactly what they did when they later built their own temple nearby in homage to "the gods who came down from the sky".  Look here at the temple of Kalasasaya which is about one kilometre from Puma Punku…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalasasaya

Notice the deep pockets with perfect right angles cut into the stone. Notice how flat the surfaces are.  Today with diamond saws and milling machines we would be hard pressed to duplicate these pieces, yet we are to believe the our ancestors did this over 10,000 years ago with stone, copper, and wood tools? Really??  These pieces most closely resemble modern precast concrete, yet they are made of a hard stone called andesite that is approximately 60% Silicon Dioxide which is an extremely hard mineral.  

3) Listen to what Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper says about his UFO experiences.

 

Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs – YouTube
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Dec 27, 2007 – Uploaded by Elhardt
Mercury 9 and Gemini 5 astronaut Gordon Cooper talks about his UFO sightings and …
 
4) Listen to what Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell says about UFOs
Edgar Mitchell UFO and Aliens are Real and Watching Us – YouTube
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Feb 6, 2013 – Uploaded by alienuforesearchcom
From http://alien-ufo-research.com/nasa-ufo-pictures-videos/ Edgar Mitchell is a famous NASA …
 
5) Learn about the so called "Starchild Skull" and the results of the second round of DNA testing done on it. Please note that the data in Wikipedia is not current and does not reflect the results of the second attempt to extract nuclear DNA. 
 
Starchild Skull – The New Evidence – Lloyd Pye – YouTube
► 112:21► 112:21
Dec 25, 2012 – Uploaded by checktheevidence
Lloyd Pye – Starchild Skull – The New Evidence – Lloyd, who has worked as a Hollywood Screen …
 
6) Watch the Sirius movie just released to learn about DNA tests done on the Atacama humanoid.  These results came from three different leading genetics labs to eliminate errors.
 
7) Check out the excellent website of investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe at http://www.earthfiles.com. It does cost $45 per year to access the "Real X-files" portion of the site, but I feel that is a real bargain considering the vast archive of info you will find there.  Think of it as ET tuition;-)
 
8) Learn about the true nature of crop circles and how to tell those made by ETs from those made by humans.  See how complex and beautiful the are, yet the real ones are formed in less than 30 seconds. Go to http://www.cropcircleconnector.com   Check out the book "Secrets in the Fields" by Freddie Silva
 
Thanks to all for your interest and comments.  Thanks to all of you who have the courage to dig for the truth in spite of what the debunkers would have us believe.
 
Enjoy your research, and have a great weekend!,
 

 

  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 10:57am

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    AP, What are the names…

of your husbands books?  Are there any other credible (by your husbands standards) books/persons that we should be reading/listening in order to become more educated on this subject?  Are there any documentaries that you would suggest?  Anything?

Thank you in advance!

 

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My  husband is considered the leading authority on media and govt complicity in the ufo cover-up. He wrote an award winning book on the subject and has been on Coast to Coast and numerous other radio shows. I've been on the inside of this area of study, by proxy, for many years.

Greer can be appreciated for being a very intelligent, high energy, charismatic individual who can get things done. He managed to corral a large number of highly credible witnesses for his Disclosure conference and obviously was impressive enough to find backers for this film. All good….

I trust the information presented by most of his witnesses but I would be very careful about placing too much faith in the man himself. His penchant for smearing scholars of the phenomenon as 'disinfo agents' when they disagree with him on technicalities, earns him a failing grade in objectivity and basic courtesy.

 I don't quite get his insistence that alien visitations are always friendly, and if some appear  not to be they must be human sponsored military mind control operations.  There is nothing to indicate this is always the case. There are likely many species involved here and heavy use of mimetics and theatrics by these advanced beings themselves, is a more likely explanation. At some point you just have to say, 'something is going on and I don't know wtf its intentions are'

His conclusions seem to be as premature and  fundamentalist as the 'angel versus devil', debates that  preocuppy religious fundamentalists. He may prove to be correct in the long run, but caution should always be exercised when dealing with the unknown.

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  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 12:48pm

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    Excellent evidence Zakariasen.

Thanks Zakariasen.

Now that is what I call evidence.

The video is 2 hours but worth going through. The bead of my belief has now been pushed to very near the end of the wire. 

This obdurateness of humans is a weakness brought on by the insistance of the Left Hemisphere that it's models Are reality. It cannot conceive of anything existing outside the model. It is blind to the evidence of it's senses. Read this book to find out more.

We are blinded by our thoughts.

The Cold Fusion researchers are up against the same phenomenon.

And now on to the very convincing video:





  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 01:02pm

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    i can understand greedy

i can understand greedy people trying to cover up things to hang on to their wealth, but i dont see any alien civilization being so dumb.

im sure there is life out there, and im equally sure that they wouldnt participate in a coverup. It just doesnt make any sense. Travel half way across the galaxy to hide in the shadows. 

just one of the many engineered distractions to keep you from finding out that your getting robbed bigtime by the elites.  

  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 04:14pm

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    Starchild Skull

Thx for that Starchild Skull Doc! 

Many thumbs up. Fascinating.

I'm really enjoying this thread it's like a freah breathe of air.

 

 

  • Sat, May 18, 2013 - 04:59pm

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    UFOs & National Security State

Much appreciation to posters here:  people who enjoying playing with outside-the-box stuff (especially jzakariasen recent additions.)

For those who would like a careful, academic review of the cover-up of UFO sightings, I would recommend the book by Richard M. Dolan "UFOs & The National Security State, 1973-1991."  In this book, Dolan begins by citing standard news sources documenting the initial reports of UFO sightings.  He then follows the evolution of those reports through the iterations of retractions, denials and "disappearance" of evidence from the public domain.  The stories invariably end with a "report" by "an authority" concluding that the sighting was simply "a weather baloon," "swamp gas" or "the evening sunlight reflecting off pond water."

The sheer volume of cases, meticulously documented, makes his summary very convincing to me.

(This book is not about UFO's, ETs or their implications, but about the cover-up process.)

 

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