COVID cases spiking in VT

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  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 01:13pm

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    Leigh Hurley

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Hi all!

So, here we are in Vermont, the most vaccinated state in the US, and daily COVID cases are higher than ever before. Media and politicians downplaying it. Anybody have a clue?

https://www.healthvermont.gov/covid-19/current-activity/case-dashboard

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 02:33pm

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Maybe just like in Israel? Perhaps the vax isn’t providing good immunity and hardly any have natural immunity? Also, the majority of the Covid deaths here are in the vaxed(76% last month and continues to be the case). Also I think that most Covid deaths are in the elderly so they are least likely to muster a strong immune response. But I’d mostly opt for a lack of natural immunity and perhaps ADE.

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 02:52pm

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Take away evidence:  vaccine does not prevent nor stop spread of COVID.

 

  • Sat, Oct 16, 2021 - 08:02pm

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    Andrea Matheson

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I used to live there so I have been following it and a FB friend from there was posting angrily that everyone needed to go get their vaccine and they were morons for not getting it, implying that was the reason for the spike. The governor called it the pandemic of the unvaccinated too didn’t he recently? It is upsetting and wears me down to feel so much blame being directed to the unvaxxed. What will it take for people to wake up to the fact that it may not be working and in fact may be making it worse? If we were 100% vax, would they blame those who got vaxxed later, those who have not had their third, those that left the house? At some point people need to open their eyes. If VT data doesn’t do it, I don’t know what will.

  • Sun, Oct 17, 2021 - 05:27am   (Reply to #4)

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Yes, it is very  wearying living here now. I no longer recognize what my state has become and it’s frightening. Many appear to be terrified and are lashing out angrily at anyone who they perceive to be “endangering” them; unvaxed, not wearing a mask any time they step outside their home etc. Was in Montpelier the other day and there were tons of people walking down the street wearing masks. A guy was raking leaves in his front yard wearing a mask. The poor kids are masked just to play outside. But even in my small town I saw a little kid riding his bike masked!

They don’t want to understand the truth. I think the truth scares them as they then feel “unprotected”. There are angry calls for the Governor to “do something” and institute a mask mandate statewide once again. Many venues are open to only the vaxed. Classes, workshops etc are open to only the vaxed(if not only on Zoom). And with very few adults unvaxed in VT, those of us in this category are pretty well left out of most things now. I suspect if they get their way we will be locked in the house!

They don’t want to accept that not only does the vax not work but it’s also harming people;just too scary I guess. Far easier to engage in a witch hunt of the unvaxed and unmasked.

  • Sun, Oct 17, 2021 - 08:54am

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Most folks in my area of VT are not masking, except tourists. For the most part, I don’t mask except in one Woodstock healthy food store where masking is mandatory. (There is also a trendy coffee shop in Woodstock that wants masks so I just don’t go there any longer; a more interesting coffee and pastry shop in Ludlow is definitely not masking.) Farmers market in Rutland does not require masking, and a large majority don’t.

If a store sign says, ‘masks strongly recommended for the unvaccinated,’ I don’t mask.

I was at a local wedding yesterday. Of about 65 people, most from out of state, only 3 people were masked – except, of course, while eating. The bride, a nurse, is anti-mask.

A member of our small village church is truly angry that the rest of the congregation of 12 refuses to mask. A different mother and daughter have opted to participate from home via zoom despite being vaxxed because the daughter is at-risk. Some think that because they are vaccinated they are safe from getting it and giving it; so both falsely confident and against anyone being required to mask. The balance recognize that masking isn’t preventing Covid cases and so serves no purpose.

I’m with Chris: the vaccinated are a greater danger, now, both because they can be spreaders and not realize it – since they get no (or greatly reduced) symptoms – and because they can be shedders of spike proteins which, themselves, are causing harm in people with compromises, esp. lung damage. I think we’re seeing the play-out of mRNA “vaccines” that are very leaky affecting the very people they’re supposed to be protecting. This is a growing pandemic of and among the vaccinated.

Some wag said the new Fauci guidance is: “Oh, are you still living? Then you need another booster.”

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Just have a look at the data for Israel on worldometer.com, and the British data (link).

My conclusion based on the rather limited British data set, one weekly report:

  • The vaxx doesn’t seem to prevent death,
  • nor does it seem to prevent infections.

The third bump is very much vaxx induced (Chris made a nice video about it also).

I copied the table  on page 19 and 20 of the PHE weekly report. Notice that the double vaccinated are counted as of 14 days after vaccination, that leaves open the question how cases and deaths that occuer <14 days after second vax are categorized …

  • A quick calculation shows that among those older than 50, ~ 90% of the cases occurs in the vaxxed,
  • while ~ 75% of the deaths occur among the vaxxed for those older than 50.

Based on this data we can conclude that

  • Once vaxxed, the probability of getting covid is higher than the vaxx status can explain, i.e., wrt getting covid, the vaxx doesn’t prevent infection at all
  • The hospitalization rate is lower, so the vaxx does seem to reduce the impact of the disease.
  • The death distribution under the vaxxed and unvaxxed is pretty close to the vaxx status (see last graph). In other words, the effect of the vaxx doesn’t seem to prevent death that much for these people
  • For the persons <50, the vaxx “seems” to work, but one has to keep in mind that the probability of death still very small. Furthermore, one has to take the short, medium and long term adverse effects into account. A peek on the site in the next link might give an indication of some adverse events. Unfortunatly the data is not age stratified (link)

DaveDD,

Nice recap. My feeling all along was that the vaccine may help but it does not help a lot. Those stats seem to back that up.

Of course, when you take into account the adverse events, the benefit does not seem to be worth the risk.

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Small comfort, up here in the Northeast Kingdom, that a sudden burst of squally weather removed the fancy foliage attracting leaf-peepers from out of state.

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