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  • Thu, Jan 23, 2020 - 12:17am

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    Sparky1

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    Only 1 lab in China, located in Wuhan, can safely handle new coronavirus

Repost #159 from Flutrackers from Sharon Sanders (https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/822041-discussion-thread-2019-ncov-new-coronavirus?p=823958#post823958) :

“hat tip Goju:

Wuhan Institute of Virology, CAS

“The CAS has thirteen regional branches, in Beijing, Shenyang, Changchun, Shanghai, Nanjing, Wuhan, Guangzhou, Chengdu, Kunming, Xi’an, Lanzhou, Hefei and Xinjiang.” link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Academy_of_Sciences

Only one lab in China can safely handle the new coronavirus

By Nicoletta Lanese – Staff Writer 10 hours ago

As an escalating viral outbreak unfolds in China, only one lab in the country meets the required biosafety standards needed to study the new disease.

The lab happens to sit in the center of Wuhan, the city where the newly identified coronavirus first appeared, according to the Hindustan Times ( https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/a-high-security-lab-in-ground-zero-wuhan-could-hold-key-to-cure-coronavirus/story-bHKGXxL03ZAxNrGmownyzM.html), an Indian news outlet. The facility, known as the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, is housed within the Chinese Academy of Sciences and was specifically designed to help Chinese scientists “prepare for and respond to future infectious disease outbreaks,” according to a 2019 report (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article) published by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

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Designated at Biosafety Level 4 (BSL-4), the Wuhan lab can hold the world’s most dangerous pathogens at maximum biocontainment levels.

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https://www.livescience.com/china-lab-meets-biosafety-levels-new-coronavirus.html “

Sparky1 question: Would this limit health workers’ ability to test and definitively diagnose individuals with the new coronavirus? Some posts on Flutracker and elsewhere indicate that several Chinese hospitals are already at capacity/overwhelmed, and that patients and their families complain that those with symptoms are not being properly tested for the coronavirus.

  • Thu, Jan 23, 2020 - 02:25am

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    Sparky1

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    Possible concerns that new Coronavirus escaped from Wuhan BSL-4 facility?

The new fast-mutating Coronavirus is within the SARS family of pathogens. SARS pathogens were being stored and studied at the Wuhan BSL-4 facility. Did Chinese authorities fail to mention existence and function of Wuhan BSL-4 facility due to concerns about SARS and other pathogens escaping from the lab?

“The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy.”

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

“Neither national health commission (NHC) vice-minister, Li Bin, nor Gao Fu, director of the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention said anything about it [the lab] at Wednesday’s briefing in Beijing….It’s not clear if they had any reason not to do so: There were plenty of technical questions from journalists about the virus at the packed briefing.” https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/a-high-security-lab-in-ground-zero-wuhan-could-hold-key-to-cure-coronavirus/story-bHKGXxL03ZAxNrGmownyzM.html

  • Thu, Jan 23, 2020 - 06:20am

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    The Game: Staying home for a month …..

If you folks would help me by playing a game.

You will need to stay home for 1 month.  The assumptions:  electricity, power grid, natural gas and water probably continue working.  But you must stay home due to risk of infectious disease.  The game will start in 5 days.

What will you do today to prepare for your month of being home bound?  Be specific.  Specific products and actions?  No general principles or vague statements.

1.  Breakfast cereal, powdered milk, nuts and raisons

 

2.  Fruit in jars/cans

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Favorite paperback novels to pass the time:  The Demon Accords (all 15),

Zone Wars (all 3)

Your turn.  Remember–be specific!

  • Thu, Jan 23, 2020 - 12:02pm   (Reply to #14)

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    VeganDB12

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    re: The Game: Staying home for a month …..

OK!

1. 2 cases cat food. refill on cat medicine

2. 4 packs vegan cheese (to each his own)

3. 2 cases energy bars/granola bars etc….

4. shelf stable almond milk

5. lots of nuts

6. frozen veggies in hopes freezer holds up

  • Thu, Jan 23, 2020 - 12:58pm

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    robie robinson

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    Only one month

it would be easy as our farm is wide open and eating seasonally provides plenty year round. Even if grid went down we would be fine for a few years. Now if the marauding masses are a vector, all bets are off.

  • Sat, Jan 25, 2020 - 06:46pm

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    Wendy S. Delmater

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    Hi Everyone

We’re watching this situation unfold from here in SC. The coronavirus seems to have suffered from a bad Chernobyl-like “nothing to see here” bureaucratic avoidance. As always, we’re ready. However, we are also older. I’ve been away because I was diagnosed with A-fib and have been much better since I got a pacemaker. But I’m right in the demographic that will be hardest hit. *sigh*

I suggest that a face mask covering the nose and mouth will not be enough. Gloves and at least glasses so you don’t inadvertently touch the moist tissues of the eyes and nose sound good to me.

  • Sun, Jan 26, 2020 - 04:30am   (Reply to #14)

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    kgroen

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    re: The Game: Staying home for a month …..

Ok SP…game..

Staying home for a month…and i have 5 days to prepare?

There’s a bunch i would do, but i’ll touch on a few of the things i don’t normally do:

I normally buy chicken, but for a month i’d stock up 4 whole chickens (to roast, and then make soup, casseroles, etc):

I’d miss fresh greens within a month, so besides buying a bit more than usual, I’d stock up on sprout seeds:

I’d probably buy some cookie dough (or ingredients to make):

I’d pick up a few more morale boosters…chips & salsa, couple bottles of wine, kombucha or fruit juice ..maybe some Torani syrups…(to boost my carbonated water i make at home, or add to coffee…vanilla is a nice option)…though I’ve never tried Elderberry syrup with my carbonated water…could suffice too.

Note that im pretty stocked on shelf-stable stuff….i would not expect to depend on energy bars for sustenance within a month.  Soups, a couple frozen pizzas…and root cellar stuff (potatoes, apples, winter squash, onions, oranges..)

Now, if power is out, this is a whole different game entirely!

  • Sun, Jan 26, 2020 - 09:09am

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    AKGrannyWGrit

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    Re: Game

Food

  • powdered milk and pudding for the kids
  • Alvarado cups – Costco for the adults
  • Chips, beef, salsa and jalepenos and sour cream for nachos
  • Chaga, a fungus that grows on birch trees which is extremely high in antioxidants
  • Hot dogs of some sort and some-more’s to cook over a fire in a wood-stove, fire place or park fire pit.
  • Protein/vitamin powder and frozen berries for smoothies
  • Of course all the usual ordinary meal fixings

Misc Items

  • Wood for wood-burning projects
  •  Crochet needles and yarn – a perfect time to learn a new skill
  • Fabric for sewing projects, kids and adults a like. Pillow cases, small bags, pouches, table runners, use your imagination
  • Shop projects, if one has a shop, for instance a sign “Dads/ Moms Garden”
  • Goodwill often has disposable adult diapers/underwear. Puppy pee pads. Sure don’t want to need them but a godsend if you need them and do have them. Puppy pee pads are to put under someone who is sick in bed to protect bedding. Great for art projects too.
  • Extra large whiteboard and calendar. This helps keep kids and adults busy with chores, lessons the house organized and some resemblance of a routine.
  • Monopoly
  • Cards and chips for poker games. (Stash of pennies) or Canasta, penuckle, bridge?

 

 

  • Sun, Jan 26, 2020 - 09:11am   (Reply to #16)

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    re: Hi Everyone

Wendy, it’s so good to see you here again!!  I was worried about you after not seeing you post for so long.  I am glad that you are doing better now that you have gotten a pacemaker.

Yes, I am also in the demographic more likely to get hit.  Not a fun place to be!

One thing I have found is how big a role stress plays in whether I have a healthy immune system or not.  I got shingles last year after going through a high stress/upsetting situation, and a few years back got walking pneumonia after going through another such high stress/upsetting situation.  Otherwise, I tend to be quite healthy.  So the lesson learned for me (and others?) is to try not to let external events impact me so strongly.  Much easier said than done!  But apparently important for maintaining a healthy immune system.

  • Sun, Jan 26, 2020 - 09:51am

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    mntnhousepermi

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    maybe I can come back to this later

I need to do chores.

But, I was very sick in November with some virus, worse than I remember being, worse in decades.

I would say that to also think that your time at home for the month, well, you might be real sick for a few weeks of it, and on your own !

You need to make sure you can stay somewhat fed and certainly hydrated.  Nuts, as much as I normally love them, will not be what you want.  Soups, lighter foods, and you wont have the energy to cook.  reheating is a chore when like this.  I finally called a family member for help, and I have ALOT of preps, I just wasnt up to cooking and nothing sounded good, etc….

I have alot to think about in this regard, and need to re-check the pantry given this last experience

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