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  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 08:39am


    Adam Taggart

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    Coronavirus (Wuhan) Forum

For tracking the developments of the coronavirus outbreak first documented in Wuhan China in late 2019.

As of January 22, 2019, over 450 people have been confirmed infected and 17 have died.

  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 09:01am

    Chris Martenson

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    About the Coronavirus

Here’s the basic info on the coronavirus from the CDC…mostly these are the source of the common cold, and derive their name from the spiky protrusions on their outside coating that is said to resemble a crown (hence “Corona”):

Common human coronaviruses

Common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1, usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. Most people get infected with these viruses at some point in their lives. These illnesses usually only last for a short amount of time. Symptoms may include

  • runny nose
  • headache
  • cough
  • sore throat
  • fever
  • a general feeling of being unwell

Human coronaviruses can sometimes cause lower-respiratory tract illnesses, such as pneumonia or bronchitis. This is more common in people with cardiopulmonary disease, people with weakened immune systems, infants, and older adults.

Other human coronaviruses

Two other human coronaviruses, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV have been known to frequently cause severe symptoms. MERS symptoms usually include fever, cough, and shortness of breath which often progress to pneumonia. About 3 or 4 out of every 10 patients reported with MERS have died. MERS cases continue to occur, primarily in the Arabian Peninsula. SARS symptoms often included fever, chills, and body aches which usually progressed to pneumonia. No human cases of SARS have been reported anywhere in the world since 2004.


Human coronaviruses most commonly spread from an infected person to others through the air by coughing and sneezing close personal contact, such as touching or shaking hands touching an object or surface with the virus on it, then touching your mouth, nose, or eyes before washing your hands rarely, fecal contamination

In the United States, people usually get infected with common human coronaviruses in the fall and winter. However, you can get infected at any time of the year. Most people will get infected with one or more of the common human coronaviruses in their lifetime. Young children are most likely to get infected. However, people can have multiple infections in their lifetime.


How to protect yourself

There are currently no vaccines available to protect you against human coronavirus infection. You may be able to reduce your risk of infection by doing the following

wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds
avoid touching your eyes, nose, or mouth with unwashed hands
avoid close contact with people who are sick
For information about hand washing, see CDC’s Clean Hands Save Lives!

How to protect others

If you have cold-like symptoms, you can help protect others by doing the following

  • stay home while you are sick
  • avoid close contact with others
  • cover your mouth and nose with a tissue when you cough or sneeze, then throw the tissue in the trash and wash your hands
    clean and disinfect objects and surfaces


There are no specific treatments for illnesses caused by human coronaviruses. Most people with common human coronavirus illness will recover on their own. However, you can do some things to relieve your symptoms take pain and fever medications (Caution: do not give Aspirin to children) use a room humidifier or take a hot shower to help ease a sore throat and cough.

If you are mildly sick, you should drink plenty of liquids stay home and rest.  If you are concerned about your symptoms, you should see your healthcare provider.


  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 09:53am



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    Forest Fires and Epidemics: The defensible space concept

In the same way that a forest floor, full of downed and dead wood, is an invitation for the uncontrolled spread of fire, so is an overcrowded city an invitation to spread of an infectious disease.

Military barracks and college dormitories are the classic settings for the spread of infectious diseases in young healthy adults due to an overcrowded setting.

The primary defense is a bit of space:  the defensible space idea.


A highly technical article on the spectrum of Coronovirus infections as there are quite a few.  Lots of experimental thinking from 2005.

Microbiol Mol Biol Rev. 2005 Dec; 69(4): 635–664.  Coronavirus Pathogenesis and the Emerging Pathogen Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus.  Susan R. Weiss, and Sonia Navas-Martin


If anyone wants the pdf of this paper on treatment options under exploration in 2005, PM me.  Again, very technical.  Had to pay $31 to buy the pdf.  Ouch.


2014 Summary  Available treatments are supportive

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    "Had to pay $31 to buy the pdf. Ouch."

Many thanks, sand_puppy, for your altruism. As the paper is “very technical”, I won’t ask to read it — nor contribute towards your $31. Sorry.

Don’t we love how academic publishers seize upon the output of countless researchers and scientists and technicians, and then carry it off and hide it behind a paywall! Outrageous, and little different from piracy, methinks. Or ransom.

Education is an investment, not a cost, and should be part of The Commons. So should the treasury of knowledge that the world collectively accumulates.

  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 12:29pm   (Reply to #2)



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    re: About the Coronavirus

Coronavirus in Wuhan is estimated (as of 1/22/20 at 8:00AM) to infect about 10,000 people ( ,, # 123).

More up to date info on Coronavirus Outbreak in China on the same website :

  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 02:02pm

    Chris Martenson

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    Uh Oh!! Wuhan City locked down – Quarantine

Looks like an entire city of 11 million people is now in lock down.  This confirms what I said about the statistics of this coronavirus – very favorable for a pandemic.

  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 02:02pm   (Reply to #2)



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    re: re: About the Coronavirus

I will duplicate this link here, public health blogs like h5n1 and avian flu diary have referenced it and consider it useful. (need to use translator it is in chinese).     Flutrackers good site too as mentioned.


The great crowd of 1 billion migrating with the Lunar Year celebration obviously is the biggest risk here for widespread contagion.

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    Updated estimated possible 10,000 currently infected

Thanks Timot78.  Your alert and link re:  the 10,000 potential infected estimate is now in the MSM:


“Health chiefs have now raised the threat level in the UK, and one professor said this morning the outbreak currently has a death rate similar to the global Spanish Flu pandemic in 1918, which went on to kill more than 50million people.

Leading scientists have also today warned up to 10,000 patients may have caught the SARS-like virus in Wuhan – more than double the previous estimate. Wuhan officials have today ordered all residents to wear face masks in public places.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) today provided an update saying they need to know more about the outbreak before declaring an international emergency. ”

The Flutrackers site provides eye-opening real-time insight and information. This virus looks fast-spreading and grim.   :-/

I’m thankful to Chris, Adam and the entire PP community for your increased surveillance, reporting and healthy precautions.  Stay well people!!


  • Wed, Jan 22, 2020 - 04:15pm



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    CFRs for various illlnesses

I found this wiki link on CFRs for various diseases interesting.  A CFR of 3% (which is the current rating for the Wuhan virus, given the data we have now) is sandwiched roughly between the (treated) 1918 Influenza epidemic (2.5%) and vaccinated smallpox (3%).

Its a wiki page so – caveat emptor.

The Journal of Medical Virology has published research that the virus has jumped from snakes to humans.I’m not paying 50 bucks for research I have no ability to understand.Bats were also sold at the market as well.Sequencing not my game.,.


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