Condemning the British Rioters!

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  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 07:02pm

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    xraymike79

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    agitating prop

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Every where I look everything ( capital, power, opportunity) flows to the top and never makes it way back down to the rest of the people. The game is rigged for the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer and for the middle class to go away. If a person is wealthy and privileged they should do what they can to help others as much as possible. I don’t believe they should be forced to, ie. taxes, laws, regulation, redistribution,  that will never work. The privileged should feel MORALY compelled to help others because of their sucess.

Rich

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This is the same advice that Obama gave the Banks, but it fell on deaf ears. So how do you propose to fix a problem that’s not fixable with wishes and hopes?

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If measures to control economic piracy and militant slaughter overseas, don’t evolve through legislation, ‘evolution’ could be given a power assist by the addition of one little letter that means so much!  The letter ‘r’.

Let the revolution begin!!!

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So they say…. probably why we have been seeing the strengthening of a police state:

"What these assorted court rulings and incidents add up to is a nation that is fast imploding, one that is losing sight of what freedom is really all about and, in the process, is transitioning from a republic governed by the people to a police state governed by the strong arm of the law."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/one-week-in-the-life-of-a_b_868721.html

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 07:17pm

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    “Can we really blame the

"Can we really blame the kids for eliminating the middle man and simply take stuff from the productive themselves – the shops and the restaurants and the local business’? Hard to see why its OK for a tax collector, but its wrong for youth. Surely its much more efficient by the youth; much less overhead."

Loved it!

 

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 07:51pm

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    Thanks for welcome back!!

Thank you so much, Vanity and Xray. It’s so nice to be appreciated. Great thread and great work, as always, from both of you. As you can tell…I finally have my fighting spirit back! The psychopaths aren’t always at the top. Sometimes they’re right in our midst,, pretending to be our best friends–just like corporations and politicians! I am now very well versed in economic, political and personal cruelty.  I’ve learned a tremendous amount from the experience.

 . The  betrayal of entire nations, particularly the most vulnerable has been aided and abetted and masked by consumerism.  The moral compass of society at large has been lost under a mountain of credit and useless merchandise. Society has become completely ego driven. There is little refinement, little real civility, just the weak tea of politically correct hypocricy.

  Ahhh, the weak tea of politically correct moralizing when we need the double shot expresso of deep discontent and action. The riots are a charade, aggressive acts that support the corporations. Indignation, expressed in looting objects of social destruction? Breaking windows to pilfer designer clothing?  This is a gift to corporations; free advertising. How fantastic must these things be that people are able to risk prison terms and social censure to acquire them?. This isn’t consumer society breaking down, the looters are brave soldiers, willing to take risks to acquire. They should be commemorated in photo-journalism of the likes of the Iwo Jima photo. Perhaps they could be raising a flag with the Gap logo on it!

 

. Sometimes I  wonder if we are being ruled by a subspecies of anti-social human masquerading as actual people It’s just that bad.

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 07:53pm

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    The Six Stages of Awareness …

Mike,

In your post above, Russell Brand’s Big Brother Isn’t Watching You, and indeed, Donnacha DeLong’s The Revolution Will Be Streamed, nail home fully for me exactly what I see is happening in the UK. With hope, and in short-shift, it is what should surely be arriving at the shores of the United States within the year.

Russell and Donnacha’s accredition to what is obvious to me – and oblivious to those I once considered wise enough to see, if they’d just open their selfish eyes – is forever missing in mainstream media. I sense this unfolding anger beginning to appear more often outside of peoples houses, rather than through edited news in the comforting glow of home TV screens, showing some place else obscure. It will continue to role around the globe in many a forum, and with hope, to the forefront, and beyond underground movements.

There are choices to remaining in the cities of the world at this time if you are the rising young generation that make up a quarter of the UK populations under twenty-five. It will be on their knees, or on their feet.

Chris Martenson’s Six Stages of Awareness seems apt to the future austerity package sold to the British public, where many have no means to survive it.

First there is the long drawn out knife of Denial that you and I have witnessed in spades. Then there is Anger, for which I believe is slowly emerging. Bargaining as a means to justify the reasoning behind the eyes as whether to jump from the track, or be hypnotised by the merry sing-song rhythm of the train. The emergence of Fear then, as a given. Depression, as much the certainty of the difficulty in the journey ahead. And with all of that combined to try your means, the uncertainty of Acceptance for the weary traveller, on a path too few have yet beaten, and therefore with the greatest chance has grown over before their start.

Considering the demographics, I’m wondering how adaptable a state school educated city dweller really is, if we remove prayer and wish fulfillment from the equation, and look in at the cold hard facts of what twenty million people actually look like within a sixty-five mile radius of London. When the dole cheques half, inflation further devalues the currency another 15% in under three years, food prices rise another 5% to match the last year in the next, and the 18% on a gas bill kicks in across the country from September.

Demographics count if the stats hold water : –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiw3wg1mgro&feature=relmfu

Here’s Tom with the weather …

~ VF ~

 

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 08:00pm

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    Emapthy is the key

I have bee visiting this site for 3-4 years. I have seen the debates going back and forth about what system will save us. I have not posted in most of these discussions because I don’t believe anything will save us now.  Pure free market will not work, neither will any socialist model, or any model of any type. There is no system that will make this planet a better place because the people of earth are selfish snots.  We need to learn to care for those around us and for those we will never meet. To have people make decisions based on what will be good for everyone, not just whats good for themselves. You can’t take from one to give to another either, redistribution will never work. All of the models discussed here at CM and every where I look will never work because humanity’s morals of today are totaly screwed.

I would not say what I wrote was advice. I was really just pointing out the difference between ethics and morals.

My solution is to wait. All of this will come tumbling down, the Three E’s guarantee it. How far down I don’t know, I hope its far enough to shatter the hold that large corporations/government(same entity in my mind)  have on the populace. This will give us a chance to build a new "system". It is my hope that humanity will learn what  Empathy is and learn to respect each other and the planet. As a whole people don’t care about anything but themselves and this is the root of all evil.

If you want a system, how about a free market with the participants having socialist morals and a teeny tiny gov. Not going to happen in todays world. Maybe next time.

Rich

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 08:01pm

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    doorwarrior wrote:I have

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I have bee visiting this site for 3-4 years. I have seen the debates going back and forth about what system will save us. I have not posted in most of these discussions because I don’t believe anything will save us now.  Pure free market will not work, neither will any socialist model, or any model of any type. There is no system that will make this planet a better place because the people of earth are selfish snots.  We need to learn to care for those around us and for those we will never meet. To have people make decisions based on what will be good for everyone, not just whats good for themselves. You can’t take from one to give to another either, redistribution will never work. All of the models discussed here at CM and every where I look will never work because humanity’s ethics of today are totaly screwed.

I would not say what I wrote was advice. I was really just pointing out the difference between ethics and morals.

My solution is to wait. All of this will come tumbling down, the Three E’s guarantee it. How far down I don’t know, I hope its far enough to shatter the hold that large corporations/government(same entity in my mind)  have on the populace. This will give us a chance to build a new "system". It is my hope that humanity will learn what  Empathy is and learn to respect each other and the planet. As a whole people don’t care about anything but themselves and this is the root of all evil.

If you want a system, how about a free market with the participants having socialist morals and a teeny tiny gov. Not going to happen in todays world. Maybe next time.

Rich

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Part of the problem is framing part of the debate about economic systems along the lines of  redistribution of income, alone, without questioning the underlying dynamics in that system. If a business, for example is structured along partnership lines where the top guy voluntarily limits his income to say, 5 times that of the lowest level employee, most of the arguments about redistribution would nullify. And most people would be just fine with that. Person brings new partner into the lowest tier of a business, at 25 thou a year. He then limits himself to 125,000. a year income. Could you legislate this? Hell yeah. Would you have to? Probably not. Then initiate a flat tax. Get rid of 50% of the military. Make people work for welfare. Devote most tax dollars to education. Problem solved

 

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 08:23pm

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    To rationalize or not to rationalize

[quote=Tim_P]There is no way to rationalize that type of behaviour based on income.  None. [/quote]

How is anything around us rational?  I put it to you that the trodden masses probably all suffer from some form of mental illness, depression being highly likely right at the top of the list.  On top of that, I just heard on the radio yesterday this nutrition researcher interviewed on how the food people eat affects their mental health….. and having seen Jamie Oliver’s excellent TV series on school food (AND what they eat at home, ie chips!) it is no wonder to me that poor people have no hope of living anything like a life that will make them feel like they can rationalise….

See this?

Mike

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 08:45pm

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    Ministers plan removal of

 

Ministers plan removal of rioters’ benefits
Financial times ^ | 14 Aug, 2011 | Kiran Stacey

Ministers are drawing up controversial plans to remove benefits from those convicted of taking part in the riots that engulfed England last week, in a move Liberal Democrats and independent experts have condemned as counter-productive and overly expensive.

When people lose everything……  they lose it!  TPTB truly have no idea.  Morons the lot of them.

The only result from such a stupid move will be a revolution, just like is happening in Nth Africa and the Middle East…

The next twenty years……..

  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 08:59pm

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    agitating prop wrote:Thank

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Thank you so much, Vanity and Xray. It’s so nice to be appreciated. Great thread and great work, as always, from both of you. As you can tell…I finally have my fighting spirit back! The psychopaths aren’t always at the top. Sometimes they’re right in our midst,, pretending to be our best friends–just like corporations and politicians! I am now very well versed in economic, political and personal cruelty.  I’ve learned a tremendous amount from the experience.

 . The  betrayal of entire nations, particularly the most vulnerable has been aided and abetted and masked by consumerism.  The moral compass of society at large has been lost under a mountain of credit and useless merchandise. Society has become completely ego driven. There is little refinement, little real civility, just the weak tea of politically correct hypocricy.

  Ahhh, the weak tea of politically correct moralizing when we need the double shot expresso of deep discontent and action. The riots are a charade, aggressive acts that support the corporations. Indignation, expressed in looting objects of social destruction? Breaking windows to pilfer designer clothing?  This is a gift to corporations; free advertising. How fantastic must these things be that people are able to risk prison terms and social censure to acquire them?. This isn’t consumer society breaking down, the looters are brave soldiers, willing to take risks to acquire. They should be commemorated in photo-journalism of the likes of the Iwo Jima photo. Perhaps they could be raising a flag with the Gap logo on it! 

. Sometimes I  wonder if we are being ruled by a subspecies of anti-social human masquerading as actual people It’s just that bad.

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That’s hilarious, but perversely true!! Thanks for the mind trip and psychoanalysis. This would be a good time to post this video:





  • Mon, Aug 15, 2011 - 10:40pm

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    Consumerism

My favorite part of the movie "They Live".  Time to put on your alien sunglasses!





Sorry if this is a bit off topic but Paul Krugman seems to think an alien invasion would be good for our economy.    This idea just leaves me scratching my head thinking what a joke the economic profession really is.   I wish Rogoff would not have cut him off because I really wanted to hear his full explaination.  Whatever it was going to be, it clearly was positive.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/08/14/paul-krugman-calls-space-aliens-attack-earth-requiring-massive-defens

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